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Southeaster
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All of those content updates in the last few years must have been illusion and only in my mind, then.

A few pages back, I mentioned that there was a post I found elsewhere that can show you just how the current content updates suck in comparison to the past. It can be found on page 5 of this thread here , but I'll copy and paste it for you:

Funny. This game hasn't even been around for 13 years. RSC was 2001. It's 2013.

By the way, it's easy to mock you considering how badly wrong you are. Here's
2013
's content updates from January to June:

3 January - God Statues
14 January - The Kalphite King, Hati/Skoll
21 January - Desert Tasks
28 January - Demon Flash Mobs, Demon Slayer revamp
5 February - Sinkholes, Bank Boost, EoC improvements
22 February - Old School Runescape released
4 March - The World Wakes, More EoC updates, etc.
12 March - Tribute to Guthix, Even more EoC updates
25 March - Wilderness Warbands
2 April - Dungeoneering Dual Wielding, Charming Imp
9 April - Castle Wars: Revamped
16 April - Duel Arena improvements
24 April - Charm Sprite improvements, Latin American Spanish servers
30 April - Instanced God Wars, EoC Updates
13 May - The Nexus
20 May - Harvest Heaven
29 May - God Emissaries
4 June - Order of Ascension
?? June - Crystal Triskellion

I'm counting 19 days of updates, but the June BTS says that apparently they'll be more updates this month besides the two I listed, so let's add another 2 to that and make
21 update days total
.

Do note how each day for the most part only has one major update or one major update and a small number of improvements. This will become important in the next post.


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14-Aug-2013 03:49:21

Southeaster
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Here's
2006's
(the year I started playing) content updates from January to June:

4 January -Mage Training Arena
10 January - Hand in the Sand quest released
16 January - Agility Pyramid
19 January - Agility Pyramid tweaks
23 January - Enakhra's Lament
30 January - Runesquares, Harpie Bugs, New potato recipes
7 February - Cabin Fever
20 February - Chaos Elemental, Killerwatts, Treasure Trails, and more
27 February - A Fairy Tale Part I - Growing Pains
7 March - Canoeing
15 March - Recipe for Disaster
22 March - In Aid of the Myreque
28 March -Temple Trekking
3 April - A Soul's Bane
10 April - Rag and Bone Man, Easter Event, Forums
18 April - Pest Control
2 May - Swan Song
22 May - Royal Trouble
31 May - Construction, POH's released
12 June - Warriors' Guild
21 June - Death to the Dorgeshuun

That's
21 days of updates
too. Oh, and note how a few times, there were multiple updates in one day. The Easter Event and Rag and Bone Man, a new boss (Chaos Elemental) + a new Slayer monster (Killerwatts) + a brand new activity (Treasure Trails). In this day and age, if Jagex were to release similar updates, all of those individual pieces of content would probably end up releasing during separate weeks. Hell, February 20th's 2006 update would probably encompass the entire freaking month. And that month had TWO additional quests.

And here's the kicker. In 2006, membership was $5 a month. Now it's like $8 a month, PLUS the obvious funds from the SoF and Soloman's Shop.

Case and point. You either can't count or are extremely delusional. And thus, you deserve whatever mocking you receive.


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14-Aug-2013 03:52:37

Southeaster
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No but it's an EasyScape update. Just like lodestones.
But it sure made the pures happy, they could finally access Morytania without giving up their pure status. Of course, if you want to argue with someone that has a pure account that playing with a pure account is easy, then go ahead. I'll grab the popcorn and have a seat to watch. :)

I didn't think about that. I concede that point.
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I've seen nothing in what you've written so far that would qualify you to be a well-known or successful author, or even in their league. You're also breaking forum rules by using vulgarity. FYI.
That's not the point. I use swear words to emphasise something I'm saying. You don't have to be a successful author to do that. Some Forum Moderators also break forum rules and get away with it. FYI.
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With the water vials and feathers, you can only buy so much at each shop, then have to go to the other shops to be able to buy more.

Have you tried the Grand Exchange?
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With the mining spots, those mines are *rarely* crowded, which means you can stay there longer and get better xp rates. Same goes for Ice Trolls and Moss Giants
Sure thing, I'll go mine adamant ore in Tirannwn and limestone in Arandar right away.
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And judging by the amount of articles written and videos made about pet rocks, they are very popular. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
lol k

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14-Aug-2013 04:05:34 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2013 04:09:59 by Southeaster

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And you just provided the explanation yourself. The requirement is being removed because DoC takes place in the 6th age. While I personally would have preferred the original quest to remain and DoC to be a completely new quest, I can understand why Jagex did it the way they did. And I don't agree with you on player expectations. Maybe the expectations of players like you whose only reason to play is to do quests, but...that's not the entire player base. :)

Well Mod Stu gave a decent enough justification for removing the BKF requirement for Recruitment Drive, so I'm content with that.

Questing is all I have left in Runescape. Yes, I know that most players aren't like that.
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Fair enough on the first part. On the second part - again, that's *your experience*. Just because you're not getting exactly what you want does not mean the game is bad. Jiminy.

Fair enough. You've provided adequate justification for most of the reasons why you still like the game and its direction, after all.
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It probably is not true that Jagex took the easy route/were lazy with this content.

Maybe.

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14-Aug-2013 04:09:34

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And you do realize that:

-There is a separate tab for private chat, and that you can now one-click to turn game messages/different chats on and off to narrow the view? And that you can now do split chat? And that in RS2, there were also separate tabs for separate chats?

It's not the same. I don't want an unclickable rectangle around my private chat!
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-That the option to lock customization so that it would stay the way you put it existed from day one?

And you expected me to figure that out on day one? My in-game friend had the same problem, he complained about it to me too. But it's fixed so all's good now.

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Frankly, I figured out how to change my combat style and my title in just a few minutes. But then, I took the time to explore the NIS and familiarize myself with it. :)

It took me that long because I kept clicking on the menu sub-tabs at first. And when I did click on the Combat tab itself, I was brought to the Prayer sub-tab, which didn't have the combat style options. It was only on the 4th or 5th try that I clicked on the Melee, Magic and Range sub-tabs and found what I was looking for.

I logged into the NIS beta in early July, and gave up after 20 mins when I found myself unable to speak in private chat, use abilities without clicking the action bar, and turn off auto-retaliate. Like I said, it's not easy to figure out at first.

And there was a post I saw by someone who had server issues following 22nd July, and was unable to do most combat tasks. I'll edit it into here if I can find it.

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14-Aug-2013 04:27:24 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2013 04:27:55 by Southeaster

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Again, judging from my limited experience with programming, it's likely not that simple to have both the NIS and the OIS within the same game. And I for one think they waited long enough to implement these things. :)

Probably. Which makes it all the more worse with those who are encountering lag or graphical issues. I don't think it was ready for release, though.
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I refer you to my point above, that according to a website that tracks active player accounts on MMORPGS, the player count of the game is the highest it's ever been.

You deserve an ASCII facepalm.

No seriously.

Players online back in September and October was on average 90-100k. Then EoC came around, and the number of players online fell to a low of 40-45k, and a peak of 85k-90k, with an average of maybe 60-70k. Since 22nd July, it's been (like you said) 27k or so with a peak of 50k.

Please don't come and tell me that's a sign of a healthy, growing game, and that the player count ''is the highest it's ever been''.

And by the way, I was playing during BXPW in October last year, when there were 120k people online, and the lag was horrible .
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Sorry, I'm not a hive mind personality.

Jagex's treatment of its players have alternated between a middle finger and ''Adapt or quit''. And since it's always the case that people will at some point disagree, eventually all but the most blindly supportive would become cynical. Of course, maybe you fall into that category.

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14-Aug-2013 04:40:53 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2013 04:49:36 by Southeaster

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Also, I would like to point out that you should take a look at the information available from the 2012 jagex financial statement. Hardly looks like they're pumping and dumping, when they are reinvesting more than half of their profits back into the game.

Yeah, they made a 20% increase in revenue, although do note that that includes all games owned by Jagex, including the recently acquired Ace of Spades and the recently released Carnage Racing. Lots of Squeal money in there. I fully expect 2013 to be worse (cancelled subscriptions from Evolution of Combat) and 2014 to be even worse (Premier Club).

We shall see how long it takes Insight Ventures to remove 'Gex from its portfolio.
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14-Aug-2013 04:41:24 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2013 04:43:13 by Southeaster

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And there was a post I saw by someone who had server issues following 22nd July, and was unable to do most combat tasks. I'll edit it into here if I can find it.

Okay here's the post.
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I didn't like Eoc, but I adjusted to it. I kept adjusting to it for over a year. I put up with the constant changes, bugs, glitches, no content, nerfs, buff, and nerfs again, disconnects, not being able to talk to people in combat, the death of my beloved clan wars, etc. The last two weeks are the first time that I have seriously thought of giving up.

Before Nis, I had absolutely no problem with lag or fps. Yesterday, while trying to tank at Nex, my bar would randomly stop working, my prayer would turn off, lag was horrendous and I died over and over. (hardly ever die at Nex) By the time I was done, I was exhausted and so stressed out, I just logged out. I loved this game and all the friends I had made on here but for the very first time I am seriously considering walking away. The game is no longer fun. It is becoming a chore to work around all the mess they have made. I have a feeling there are alot of people who feel the same way.
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*cough* Squeal of Fortune *cough*
"We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape."

That's not pumping and dumping. And frankly, you conflating it with pumping and dumping makes me question if you know what pumping and dumping even means .
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When I said ''in the hands of venture capitalists'', I was referring to from the point onwards when IVP became the controlling party. From 2005 to 2010 Andrew Gower still had more shares than IVP, IVP could influence decisions but not outright dictate them.

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True, but an investment firm doesn't have to be majority invested to start pumping and dumping. (It helps, but it's not necessary .) There's also a huge difference between venture capitalism and vulture capitalism. A venture capitalist is anyone who has invested their own money in a business, no matter how small their stake. If you have a 401k, or own even one share of stock, you are a venture capitalist. A vulture capitalist uses leverage buying, where they take out a loan to acquire the business, assign that loan to the company that they bought with it, then strip the company of everything of value and then file for bankruptcy, so they end up paying no taxes and often leaving the company incapable of paying debts (including pensions), and absolutely destroying the community the company was located in as people first lose their jobs, then their homes. Bain, Romney's firm, is a prime example of vulture capitalism. From what I've seen, IVP is not. IMO.

I should also point out, in case you don't already know this, that in the U.S. at least, pumping and dumping is still illegal and can get one in trouble with the SEC if caught at it.
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21-Aug-2013 18:19:14

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Tell me the name of the website. I'm not believing you otherwise. There is nothing, nothing so far, that tells me that Runescape is attracting players.

I've already given you more than enough to find it on your own, but if you need it spoonfed to you, then look up MMO data. That's as far as I'm willing to go, because I am not going to break the forum rules for anyone .

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I could go into this, but it ties back into that never-ending argument we had about Lodestones. I say it's spoonfeeding, you say it's conveinence. I won't bother.

As for having fun and interacting with each other... 100 people online on some worlds. Fist of Guthix, Stealing Creation and Soul Wars dead from November onwards. Seems legit.

I also firmly believe it enhances the runescape experience, too.

And yeah, over 1,000 players on other worlds. Some players, like myself, just like to grind and not socialize. But other players do. After the last patch update, even though I keep local chat on friends only, I'm still seeing non-friend chat in the air over other people's heads (but not in the chat box). Judging by the chatting I've seen because of that - and yes I'm on a world with between 100 and 200 players - the social part of runescape is still alive and kicking.

I don't play those minigames, but judging by the screen cap vids posted about them that were recorded in 2013, they still seem to have a good number of players. Hardly seems dead to me.
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21-Aug-2013 18:32:57

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