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Aenonar

Aenonar

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There are literally hundreds of thousands, even millions of bots still in game, extremely obvious ones even... They're always there no matter how many bots you say you've banned because the real truth is: You never ban them all. Only a minimal amount to pretend like you've done something amazing.

Why? Because Jagex is now just yet another money hungry company that will do anything to get their fit. The bots are paying customers, that's why they get to roam freely.

For the past 6 months I've been playing yet again, everywhere I went there were just bots bots bots... And yes, I know they really were bots even if you try to excuse it as players wishful thinking or whatnot. I'm a programmer and game developer, I know how bots act.

I've reported hundreds of bots and yes, some of them who were just extremely awkward players who I just reported just so you could make sure they didn't have some kind of script running. But the vast majority of them really were real bots, and extremely obvious ones. Yet day after day, week after week they just kept on running with no actions whatsoever.

You can pretend as much as you want, but until you give a full list of permabanned accounts, I will never believe you.

Heck you can't even fix the swing reset timer on dual wielding, which makes using abilities worthless... Nor did you even allow any option for the actionbar skilling feature, making it useless for most tedious skilling.

You just keep on swinging, and missing.

06-Jan-2013 08:03:40

CptCapricorn

CptCapricorn

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I love playing RS and everything, but Jagex needs to stop extra sugarcoating on the bot bans. I know a bot name run rat pwn who does runecrafting and never gets banned no matter how many reporting is done. The group that I am in always report run rat pwn and we have yet to see the bot get banned.

Jagex needs to own up and admit they will not get rid of bots and tell the truth. They will pretty much rollback bot accounts but never a full on ban. Please be honest jagex.

06-Jan-2013 08:08:48 - Last edited on 06-Jan-2013 08:10:24 by CptCapricorn

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06-Jan-2013 08:14:08

Mace Brown

Mace Brown

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Nice to hear, but this is just taking a waterdrop out of the sea.
I play for quite a while now and can hardly remember times where bots swarmed Runescape as much as now. Weather it comes to mass farmers or to single accounts being pushed up in their skills unfairly by botting, it makes the whole gameplay rather pointless. No one playing along the rules can compete with bots, neither regarding rs-money nor regarding experience rates. Highscores are a joke with all the botted ranks in there. A lot of important play spots are unusable due to bots. All in all, the game is pretty much ruined by bots, as everyone knows. Why keep playing in such an environment?

And, honestly, I don't like at all how you (Jagex) handle especially the public part of it. Do whatever you do behind the curtains - and likely need to do "secretly" to avoid bot programmers get an advantage in the technical race -, but add a more public orientated additional strategy to it. This could include these points:

1) Frequent Raids
Have some stuff members with bot-experience do frequent raids at known botting spots. One or two a week, may be. I bet you can monitor an account directly with ways more information than a normal player has at hand if looking at a suspicious character ingame to judge it. Do this where there's usually mass botting going on - like grotworms, dragons, mining sites, the ess bots swarming Aubury and so on. Do this also where single players bot up their accounts, like at the Livid Farm or usual skill training places.
This won't affect the endless number of bots, but it would set a sign. And it would make botting less predictable. Actually the risk seems to be around ... well, 0%? At least players not botting for rwt, but for skilling up quickly might think twice about it if they feel there's a big risk of account loosing actually involved in their doings. And it would give players more hope than the one or other "We banned some bots" - announcement spread out over the year.

06-Jan-2013 08:29:16

Mace Brown

Mace Brown

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~~ Post 2/2 ~~

2) Make a bot-related forum
Not only that you promised to give us one - I think it is needed. You always say how much you need player input as it comes to better the game. Why miss out on the chance to get first-hand information about common botting spots and developments, actual hotspots and so on from those who likely see & experience all this first: your players? Sorry to say, but I think it is rather dumb to have all this information spread out all over the forums and - even worse - discouraging those wanting to help by advising your forum mods to lock or move bot-topics. What weird kind of public / marketing / customer relationship strategy is that?

3) Name & Shame
Yes. I'm really not one to think *people* should be named & shamed; but we are not talking about people really. We are talking about ingame accounts. It is not John or Jane Doe named, its jfgdfiill and rwtmule_123. Make a bot related forum, as said before, and add a sticky where you place account *ames, highscore ranks, play times (like in the adventure log) plus probably bank wealth of the accounts shredded in botany bay. The header post could contain the number of banned accounts per month. Since you could likely script maintaining this, it wouldn’t be much work to keep it actual, and playership would get a way better information base about the results of your "bot war".

Best regards,
Mace

06-Jan-2013 08:29:23

CptCapricorn

CptCapricorn

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I agree with Mace Brown on the hi-score. You may ban bots here and there completely, but you will let some bots get away with it or rollback the bot account over and over. The hi-score has become a joke with bots taking up precious room when real honest players should be in hi-score ranks. You should just do away with hi-scores or those who cheated by botting may never enter hi-score again.

06-Jan-2013 08:39:37

Gad Zook

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"I play for quite a while now and can hardly remember times where bots swarmed Runescape as much as now."

Mace, I hope you mean "hardly" since you been a member since 2 years more than me. I hope you mean hardly remember as in your memory is failing, since I can remember clearly bots swarming much worse than I have ever seen since 2007.

I like your ideas 1 2 3 just not the way you introduce them.

06-Jan-2013 08:39:43

Mace Brown

Mace Brown

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Gad Zook: "I hope you mean hardly remember as in your memory is failing, since I can remember clearly bots swarming much worse than I have ever seen since 2007."

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Take it more like a "fading" ... after all bots have allways been around, but looking back I remember more of the fun times I had with ingame friends than the moments of frustrations I had due to bots. Seems to be the other way around now.
There've been bad peaks too, just as you say. But probably my hope Jagex would be able to handle it once wasn't buried under a hill of years back then ;)

Thanks for your reply
best regards,
Mace

06-Jan-2013 08:48:24

RS KING

RS KING

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Sick of bots yet?

There was a story in the news last month "Debt lurks in the lairs of dragons" about a kid who spent about $1900.00 real money (his moms credit card) to buy gold that comes from gold farming bots.

He purchased the gold.... to H/C gamble.

The same exact thing is done to buy Phats, gear etc.

People buying gold are the root of the gold farming bot issue.

Allowing gambling makes it even worse.

06-Jan-2013 08:53:28 - Last edited on 06-Jan-2013 09:04:27 by RS KING

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