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Jan

2015

Tenebri

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Sheepman said :

well for starters; most content you obtain from PvM currently is not up to par. So while players are PvMing bosses for drops that are for technically outdated drops.

am i just going to be repeating myself again? i hope not

we are in the waiting period for that, everything cant happen at once. that is impossible to do.

Ill admit that maybe not everyone would go for the insane final boss/gold reaper but necro really makes this manageable;

and why is that a bad thing?

If a player grinds using necro and obtains such logs with the current state of necro; what would the point of other styles?

as again i have already said. there is going to be a cb style on top. before it was magic. now its necro. once it was range and before it was also melee. there is going to be one on top always right now its necro. in a few years time it maybe another cb style who knows. it depends on updates.

did you dislike magic when mage was on top? did you have the same question here? were you ranting about magic then? no. so why rant about necro when its just the same situation.

why am i having to repeat the same thing over and over?

No problem players experiencing PvM/endgame but with necro it really begs the question; are people going to want to use a less versatile style? My guess is no but its just my guess

again.... why is that an issue? and again did you have a rant about disliking magic when it was on top. with the question.
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05-Oct-2023 09:48:25

Jan

2015

Tenebri

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Necro has been great in terms of its development and getting players into PvM; however the point of all this I am getting at is a broken combat triangle; that the game has situated around now going stale. And players in sights of boss logs (main example) have a versatile style to achieve this; or have to worry about 10b+ in gear and swaps?

the cb triangle has always been broken. as again i repeat for the 73rd time. there is always one cb style on top. which before necro you didnt make a rant about.

we are also in the waiting period for it to be balanced.

i think im going to stop here as all i am doing is just repeating myself. and its frustrating
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05-Oct-2023 09:49:47

Dec

2021

Sheepman

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Tenebri said :
Sheepman said :

well for starters; most content you obtain from PvM currently is not up to par. So while players are PvMing bosses for drops that are for technically outdated drops.

am i just going to be repeating myself again? i hope not

we are in the waiting period for that, everything cant happen at once. that is impossible to do.

As long as combat triangle is in a limbo; there really is no conclusion until then. The state of what it is now is what it is; not on what it will be. Maybe it will be; but its not now so until then; you might be on repeat!

Tenebri said :

Ill admit that maybe not everyone would go for the insane final boss/gold reaper but necro really makes this manageable;

and why is that a bad thing?

Again its not really a bad thing; though necro has made PvM feats more achievable then combat triangle did. On top of the development being new and more simplistic while being advanced; between the feat being diminished on top of other styles being less versatile and usable. Again why use other styles? Unless we get a time machine.. maybe. <<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<
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05-Oct-2023 11:42:03

Dec

2021

Sheepman

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As for the combat triangle and styles supierority in general; I have always been against it!

Well its always been between range/mage in recent years; and even current game range still holds very high DPS. So even though range did not have what mage had (FSOA + AD crypt) its still always had manageable DPS. The BOLG dident maintain 5B while before FSOA nerf for no reason! Same with grico and SGB prices.

Range lacks good healing and defense; simply put. Why Mage had technically put it to shame in PvM; and now necro does.

Mage; when not being sent to corner on occasion (Staff of sliske vs SGB; now greater sonic wave) ; has always been Necromancy lite. Inquistor staff + Affinity based on fire/water/air/earth vs Stab/slash/crush or Thrown/bow/crossbow. Inq staff with 90 affinity + boosted hit chance was like necromancy before it.

Look at the list of monsters affected by Inq staff vs Hexhunter bow/UselessMaul (not going to properly name it); looks to me like an attempt at necromancy.

And while the staff + affinity is its own issue; then mage gets huge damage reductions that make many things simple, similar to necro

Then add the FSOA; which was pretty much free DPS, adrenaline and healing but at a cost of runes and grimoire; and mage yes; was far better then any other style for PvM. Necro atleast has a development behind how damage is done; not just endless criticals in a cycle.

I thought FSOA was op and easy; cost alot to use but easy.

However many players loved it; and it was a renowed weapon around rs3. I mean why fix whats (technically) not broken? It was originally getting people interested in the game again. Lots of people dyed those...

Instead of patching that; just bring others styles up; which range is not far behind; BUT MELEE is really the only sham (mage without the FSOA pre nerf being in a similar boat now)

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05-Oct-2023 12:07:30

Dec

2021

Sheepman

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Thing with necro is; the prioritization over the combat triangle; the advantages , and made a whole new skill with it. Thats what I dont like

No improvements to what is here; a new route to solve it once and for all. None of that could have be thought of to fix the current issues??

I mean; maybe a slap in the face to longterm players using the combat triangle? meh just me. ill pour one out for the dyed FSOAs in hope casket or put into a EOF. But atleast new players will love necro! (if they dont nerf it for other releases!)

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05-Oct-2023 12:16:55 - Last edited on 05-Oct-2023 12:19:16 by Sheepman

Mar

2020

Pulseironic

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Sheepman said :
Thing with necro is; the prioritization over the combat triangle; the advantages , and made a whole new skill with it. Thats what I dont like

No improvements to what is here; a new route to solve it once and for all. None of that could have be thought of to fix the current issues??

I mean; maybe a slap in the face to longterm players using the combat triangle? meh just me. ill pour one out for the dyed FSOAs in hope casket or put into a EOF. But atleast new players will love necro! (if they dont nerf it for other releases!)

I get we will see updates; but until then the game will be where its at! its funny you mention the FSOA, after all it outclassed several other weapons that came before it AS WELL AS basically everything else. youre sounding more annoyed you arent the prime anymore, which i find funny.

personally i love necromancy specifically because it breaks the triangle and does new things. i can finally have a go to style where i dont have to worry about if the target is weak to me or not. i still remember getting WASTED by Nomad during the quests with him because even though hes classified no weakness you had better use ranged gear against him because his spells hit less. wont have to worry about that when the ironman takes it on, necro bypasses all these checks and lets me actually stand a chance.

06-Oct-2023 05:34:44

Jan

2015

Tenebri

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Sheepman said :

Again its not really a bad thing;

then why rant about it?

Pulseironic said :
its funny you mention the FSOA, after all it outclassed several other weapons that came before it AS WELL AS basically everything else. youre sounding more annoyed you arent the prime anymore, which i find funny.

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yep definitely this.
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06-Oct-2023 08:26:09

Jan

2011

Roddy Piper

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Sheepman said :
Thing with necro is; the prioritization over the combat triangle; the advantages , and made a whole new skill with it. Thats what I dont like

No improvements to what is here; a new route to solve it once and for all. None of that could have be thought of to fix the current issues??

I mean; maybe a slap in the face to longterm players using the combat triangle? meh just me. ill pour one out for the dyed FSOAs in hope casket or put into a EOF. But atleast new players will love necro! (if they dont nerf it for other releases!)

I get we will see updates; but until then the game will be where its at!

IMO they had to consider what happened with EOC originally. It was a much better idea to make a new combat skill with features players wanted, and then apply those features to other combat in the future.

The risk of losing a ton of players is real. One unexpected change was the overall nerf to combat XP. That leaves a lot of room to improve those other combat skills.

Just applying how hit chance is related to damage would be an immediate improvement to the other skills. IF you can't hit, you might as well not even be playing. Near 100% hit chance is required. Overloads are required. etc.

06-Oct-2023 13:31:30

Dec

2021

Sheepman

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Pulseironic said :
its funny you mention the FSOA, after all it outclassed several other weapons that came before it AS WELL AS basically everything else. youre sounding more annoyed you arent the prime anymore, which i find funny.

personally i love necromancy specifically because it breaks the triangle and does new things. i can finally have a go to style where i dont have to worry about if the target is weak to me or not. i still remember getting WASTED by Nomad during the quests with him because even though hes classified no weakness you had better use ranged gear against him because his spells hit less. wont have to worry about that when the ironman takes it on, necro bypasses all these checks and lets me actually stand a chance.

Well for starters; I never used the FSOA because I thought it was an easy gimmick. And while yes; it was powerful; IT NEVER CAUSED THE BOLG TO CRASH LIKE NECROMANCY DID IT!
So your claim about "outclassing" is about as much bogus as the hero pass they removed!!

oh did I mention? Necromancy outclassed and flopped weapon markets like NO OTHERS. FSOA never did that; it never took over multiple styles.

FSOA was organically getting players into a game were they could at least buy other gear; but with necro? Nope. Whats the point? Just get the BIS from the newly built style and run amuck. <<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<
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07-Oct-2023 17:36:39

Jan

2015

Tenebri

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Sheepman said :

FSOA was organically getting players into a game were they could at least buy other gear; but with necro? Nope. Whats the point? Just get the BIS from the newly built style and run amuck.

and why is this a bad thing?

people are happy.
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07-Oct-2023 17:41:51

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