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Sheepman

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Tenebri said :
Pulseironic said :
im looking at it like this, necro gives them data on how we want a 120 combat skill to work, now they go and work on releasing the 120s for the others. then we get some real fun as those three old styles shine in their encounters while necro will likely be the jack of all, master of none situation where it does ok but the others outclass it when they are the weakness.

indeed

im unsure why people are acting as if this is a done deal and nothing else is going to change in the future.

Thing is

the entire end game is altered; and if necro already gave most players a clear path to boss logs; What left other then entertainment to invest in (if still any cost) another combat style when necro got the job done? Again being an average player and not speed running a boss like AOD/Solak.

What will the standard of the updates be?

120 seems like a farce for each skill because it seems it will be similar to necromancy; set a high bar that the next will have trouble standing up to without a nerf/power creep occuring. That is if they cannot deliver a full combat triangle 120 rework vs a single style; which again could see flaws based on scattered resources vs Necromancy dedicated team.

While I am hopeful; for example upcoming reworking hit caps and critical so Melee burst damage utilized is a good fix. But there are many things they have added that have been left to place holders; same for the other styles. FSOA patch really hurt game morale and hurt mage to the point where now all they can do is rerelease the FSOA which would get a buzz going. But is that the route to take? We can only see! <<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<
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04-Oct-2023 02:43:15 - Last edited on 04-Oct-2023 02:58:41 by Sheepman

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2021

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Bertel62 said :
Breaking the combat triangle is the best thing they have done in a long time. I always found it annoying to have to change combat style depending on what monster I am fighting. Now I can just go out and fight whatever I want with one style. It is so much more convenient.

Focused on this concept of "weaknesses" vs "strengths" game would have been alot more successful over the years.

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04-Oct-2023 02:46:30

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2015

Tenebri

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cant click quote button so cant quote directly.

the entire end game is altered; and if necro already gave most players a clear path to boss logs;

indeed most players do have a path boss logs. this is a good thing this is your first point in a rant?
and also yes having an update that changes endgame is going to change the entire endgame, what were you expecting?

What will the standard of the updates be?

no idea if we were to discuss this it would just be entirely speculation. i gave my speculation that the other 3cb stats would go to 120. which is something ive been personally wanting for a long time, it just makes sense that that would be the first step into balancing further. also the easiest.

But there are many things they have added that have been left to place holders;

again, why is this a shock? necro is very new still not everything has come out for it and to balance it. it needed to be the best option out of the other 3 otherwise it would have just been the people racing to 200m to do it. that would not look good for a new skill. so yes it had to be better than the other 3, and yes that does leave place holders. we are just in the waiting period. because again it technically hasnt been out for long at all.

enjoy necro in endgame its opened up bossing for people who were once feeling like they couldnt pvm. why rant over that? more people are enjoying the endgame now. that is good for the game. as you have already said balancing is coming. will it be perfect ofc not. but this isnt the end final product.
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04-Oct-2023 08:39:21 - Last edited on 04-Oct-2023 08:41:53 by Tenebri

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2021

Sheepman

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Tenebri said :

the entire end game is altered; and if necro already gave most players a clear path to boss logs;

indeed most players do have a path boss logs. this is a good thing this is your first point in a rant?
and also yes having an update that changes endgame is going to change the entire endgame, what were you expecting?

I mean its good to get people enjoying content! But my overall point is getting people back into the other combat styles with necro being such a go-to and useful, versatile tool for PvM. Again unless experienced or nerfs; what will get them to EOF a SGB or EZK vs maintain necro gear? Most will prefer sticking to necro.

Tenebri said :

What will the standard of the updates be?

no idea if we were to discuss this it would just be entirely speculation. i gave my speculation that the other 3cb stats would go to 120. which is something ive been personally wanting for a long time, it just makes sense that that would be the first step into balancing further. also the easiest.

I mean; Abyssal spike 100% application rate and Leng special upgrade were teased as part of Jmod game jams but have yet to go live; and critical rework is still beta so we can see future upgrades in works; and is important because again; whats the point of using any of this stuff if necro best suits the end game? <<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<
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04-Oct-2023 11:56:49 - Last edited on 04-Oct-2023 12:15:10 by Sheepman

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Tenebri said :

But there are many things they have added that have been left to place holders;

again, why is this a shock? necro is very new still not everything has come out for it and to balance it. it needed to be the best option out of the other 3 otherwise it would have just been the people racing to 200m to do it. that would not look good for a new skill. so yes it had to be better than the other 3, and yes that does leave place holders. we are just in the waiting period. because again it technically hasnt been out for long at all.

enjoy necro in endgame its opened up bossing for people who were once feeling like they couldnt pvm. why rant over that? more people are enjoying the endgame now. that is good for the game. as you have already said balancing is coming. will it be perfect ofc not. but this isnt the end final product.

Again; all the items being place holders while necro is used to farm them; not the best look. not the best for players who invested in placeholder items.

Well end point is once most players who are interested in end game or logs; just use necro and get the job done. by the time a balance comes out most people will have completed their goal/moved on. Again why want to swap to another; less versatile style? Unless your like me and get off on one style (Again Necromancy got me there...)

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04-Oct-2023 12:09:29

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2015

Tenebri

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Sheepman said :

I mean its good to get people enjoying content! But my overall point is getting people back into the other combat styles with necro being such a go-to and useful, versatile tool for PvM. Again unless experienced or nerfs; what will get them to EOF a SGB or EZK vs maintain necro gear? Most will prefer sticking to necro.

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and that will come later. as you already said there are updates in the works to rebalance things

so yes that is going to happen. again i repeat myself. we are in the waiting period for that, everything cant happen at once. that is impossible to do.

yes most will prefer to stick to necro. because thats what they know. unless a new thing comes out that is not balanced. then you will be ranting over that the same as this situation

before necro is was magic with AD etc. there is always going to be one cb style that will be on top. right now its necro. which makes sense as its a new skill and jagex will want it to be used as much as possible.
not only that as again repeating. its giving people an opportunity to try out endgame stuff which before they werent confident with. so now this is what is going to get people into pvm with the other cb styles as they now understand combat mechanics better than they did before necromancy.

hell i even made a short thread in the compliments section about it. found here which i wrote 1 day after release and i was pretty much spot on with what i thought was happening with necro. and its fantastic. which is why im curious as to how you can rant about it.
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04-Oct-2023 20:07:07

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2015

Tenebri

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Sheepman said :

I mean; Abyssal spike 100% application rate and Leng special upgrade were teased as part of Jmod game jams but have yet to go live; and critical rework is still beta so we can see future upgrades in works; and is important because again; whats the point of using any of this stuff if necro best suits the end game?

how many times will i repeat myself lets see this is 4th time?

we are are in the waiting period of this. not everything will come out asap. yes things get teased but guess what they will take time to come out. do you want it rushed? if it was youd be here in the rants ranting that it doesnt work... lol

Sheepman said :

Again; all the items being place holders while necro is used to farm them; not the best look. not the best for players who invested in placeholder items.

Well end point is once most players who are interested in end game or logs; just use necro and get the job done. by the time a balance comes out most people will have completed their goal/moved on. Again why want to swap to another; less versatile style? Unless your like me and get off on one style (Again Necromancy got me there...)

So I guess well see how things are managed in coming months!

why would they move on when its new content? that makes literally 0 sense.

cause yeah everyone now is the course for insane final boss / golden reaper titles 100% lol?

this was the weakest of your arguments im sorry. but seriously you are ranting that people can pvm now?
this is all what you complaining about here. is that now more people are pvming. under the guise of "i dislike necromancy" and this is why you dislike necromancy is because its made more people feel comfortable doing endgame.

how is that a bad thing? considering that is all you are ranting about do elaborate why its bad more people can enjoy parts of the game they couldnt before.
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04-Oct-2023 20:10:01 - Last edited on 04-Oct-2023 20:16:25 by Tenebri

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Tenebri said :

why would they move on when its new content? that makes literally 0 sense.

cause yeah everyone now is the course for insane final boss / golden reaper titles 100% lol?

this was the weakest of your arguments im sorry. but seriously you are ranting that people can pvm now?
this is all what you complaining about here. is that now more people are pvming. under the guise of "i dislike necromancy" and this is why you dislike necromancy is because its made more people feel comfortable doing endgame.

how is that a bad thing? considering that is all you are ranting about do elaborate why its bad more people can enjoy parts of the game they couldnt before.

well for starters; most content you obtain from PvM currently is not up to par. So while players are PvMing bosses for drops that are for technically outdated drops.

Ill admit that maybe not everyone would go for the insane final boss/gold reaper but necro really makes this manageable; and again; why use another style if necro is bis?

If a player grinds using necro and obtains such logs with the current state of necro; what would the point of other styles? Even if a 120 combat is introduced. Traditionally using other styles was necessary (mainly range/mage) but with necro why use anything else? just my point..

No problem players experiencing PvM/endgame but with necro it really begs the question; are people going to want to use a less versatile style? My guess is no but its just my guess.

It really is about the current sitatution about Combat triangle.

Necro has been great in terms of its development and getting players into PvM; however the point of all this I am getting at is a broken combat triangle; that the game has situated around now going stale. And players in sights of boss logs (main example) have a versatile style to achieve this; or have to worry about 10b+ in gear and swaps? <<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<
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05-Oct-2023 02:02:32 - Last edited on 05-Oct-2023 02:36:13 by Sheepman

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Tenebri said :

and that will come later. as you already said there are updates in the works to rebalance things

so yes that is going to happen. again i repeat myself. we are in the waiting period for that, everything cant happen at once. that is impossible to do.

yes most will prefer to stick to necro. because thats what they know. unless a new thing comes out that is not balanced. then you will be ranting over that the same as this situation

Really just about how they hit/miss the mark when it comes to updates about other styles when everything boils down to it. I can be confident they will hit the target but again; necro had a lot of stops pulled it seems and more behind it; I cant expect the same for other styles . <<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<
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05-Oct-2023 02:05:40 - Last edited on 05-Oct-2023 02:29:12 by Sheepman

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Tenebri said :

before necro is was magic with AD etc. there is always going to be one cb style that will be on top. right now its necro. which makes sense as its a new skill and jagex will want it to be used as much as possible.
not only that as again repeating. its giving people an opportunity to try out endgame stuff which before they werent confident with. so now this is what is going to get people into pvm with the other cb styles as they now understand combat mechanics better than they did before necromancy.

hell i even made a short thread in the compliments section about it. found here which i wrote 1 day after release and i was pretty much spot on with what i thought was happening with necro. and its fantastic. which is why im curious as to how you can rant about it.

Alot of people complained/realized AD+FSOA was built different. Also why when it received the nerf it left mage scarred. That and the greater sonic wave knocked mage off its high horse.

I would argue necro is a bit more advanced then other styles; the hits are not capped at 10k, the burst damage is manageable; no style weakness, no worry for example with living death like with ds/sunshine limited area or berserk damage intake; so necro is a tuned a bit different; again my point about the combat triangle vs necro and why people would prefer necro. <<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<<><<
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