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Roddy Piper
Jan Member 2011

Roddy Piper

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The thing with my case is they don't even need to investigate a ton of data. We are talking one even trade and a handful of drops. Even if they have NO data they could check my boss counters and compare my wealth.

If I was flagged by an automated system I can understand, but I would expect a fair review at the very least. The facts are I did not, would not and could not do it.

About the trade I mentioned, I think shards actually came up as 24 GP but it was a specific GP value he asked for, which is why I was struggling with the math when buying them. He did match that value. I took forever to make sure. There was no exchange. If that is a hole in their records patch it up with cement.

TBH I don't even want to know what their system are. Everyone says they are innocent automatically and that works against me. What are the actual facts?

Also, the person I traded with went on to ask me to buy 10k of some item or other. I told them I was bored and maybe someone else could help. My assumption was that if I did that, I would then be asked to buy some obscure overpriced item on the GE and he would bail on me.

If I was reported by another player, possibly that one, it opens up an entirely different story. That means they did investigate thoroughly and decided I was a major rulebreaker despite all the evidence.

I don't even know how to react to that. Just like I can't imagine how I would react if I WAS guilty. My mind can't reach a place where I would ever be cheating in multiplayer games.

14-Feb-2023 09:07:56

Ruby_Red0
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Roddy, if they arent recording, keeping, storing, bothering to review or whatever any evidence, what would they be investigating?

Im not saying what that particular player that posted on your thread said is either true or untrue. It does however sync with what players claim is happening to them.

You are warned about something, but you claim you dont know what.

That other guy was banned for something, but he claims he doesnt know what.

Did you appeal? I dont remember.

The other guy appealed. Appeal denied. He still doesnt know for what.

Mod Jack says he is focused on player retention.

How does he expect the game to retain players if what the players are saying is valid?

How many warnings and bans can you get before the game arbitrarily desides it doesnt want to retain you?
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14-Feb-2023 13:11:07 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2023 13:18:41 by Ruby_Red0

Ruby_Red0
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Roddy Piper said :
I'm saying that just by looking at my game stats they should be able to see what I have been up to. Even if there were no other records.


Yeah. Same with the guy that was banned for pickpocketing the gullible tourist.


Unlike him, you seem to be popular and well-connected. Im surprised you cant get to someone that can get you an audience with a JMod, if you cant grab one's ear directly.

Come to think of it its odd my pal, Dilbert has totally passed up on this thread.
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14-Feb-2023 15:30:42 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2023 15:48:26 by Ruby_Red0

Ruby_Red0
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Pulseironic said :
probably because they were rightfully hit?


Really? I have 4K bones to grind for potions. The grinder is on auto-pilot, and the game boots me out in mid-grind as if Im not there.

Yeah, it certainly cant be a problem with any auto-bot programs. Jagex never makes mistakes. I guess you are right, which would also be why Roddy deserves their warning, right?

Yes, Im being sarcastic. Its amazing how much the people that play this game have empathy for each other - like hardly at all, lol.
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15-Feb-2023 11:50:55

Roddy Piper
Jan Member 2011

Roddy Piper

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I just had the most ridiculous thought. Is it possible they caught some of my ranty chats while instanced in Zuk? Like me yelling at Death? That would be hysterical.

Yeah, when I am extremely frustrated and nobody else is around it gets pretty ugly. Zuk got me in meltdown.

Why does the price go up? Thief! LOL

WOW!

15-Feb-2023 15:13:19

Roddy Piper
Jan Member 2011

Roddy Piper

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This is so funny now, I am trying to remember what else I said. Maybe something like 'y'all accept money for this.' LOL

Just so they know, I have made peace with Zuk. Meaning, my intention is to actually beat him more than once and eventually get to a point where I can win those capes.

Edit: I'm pretty sure I logged back in to give the game a thumbs down. :-)

15-Feb-2023 15:41:51 - Last edited on 15-Feb-2023 15:45:36 by Roddy Piper

XSlay4DeathX
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Tenebri said :
XSlay4DeathX said :


Heck i even talk to my alt when i play long hours to avoid getting false banned for botting. "Hey, what's up" "Just doing clues, you?" "Slayer" "Good luck on drops" :P



this is actually a very old tactic bots use to use to try and not be detected. so its really not anything to need to worry about.

i have an alt thats almost maxed and i rarely speak on it

you are allowed to have alts and are allowed to trade between them, just talking to yourself isnt going to help in anyway for bot detection.

bot detection wont go "oh its talking therefore not bot" lol


Yeah but jagex detections can flag non bots.

Bot detection works like this, "pixel tracing", click your mouse legitly it might move slightly from you moving your finger down, that pressure depending on how fast your clicking will result in movement.

Hence why most falsely accused users are ones that make mouse clicks a keyboard button. it also goes by loop segments, if A-B repeats most likely a bot script. Even when i did Runecrafting back in the day crafting 6500+ nats per hour my bank time was fastest possible based on methods by Phoenix Odin.

^many accussed me of botting, but in normal gameplay by legit players you have unstable banking/clicks. miss clicks happen, taking a sip of my coffee etc, and boom my rate of 6500+ drops to 5900 per hour.

Bot scripts don't miss click unless the users internet lags.

And yes i do know IRL friends that did bot skills and did talk via message, my hatred toward botters, i did report them. They only admitted it via IRL talks not in-game, so they never got banned.

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No idea how bots are programmed now a days but i can guess maybe a RNG based click to mimic the slight movement in pixels upon a legit click. I wouldn't know, only jagex has the power to legitly test these things.

Heck i never used mouse keys even, jagex could never give clear yes or no.

15-Feb-2023 15:51:07

XSlay4DeathX
Mar Member 2007

XSlay4DeathX

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^i also gotten a 24 hour mute, cracking a joke about a NPC random event that teleported me when i was afk

Jagex detections across the board are a joke and broken. This was deemed under a threat, but tbh NPC are to be killed in this type of game so wasn't really a threat since i stated the NPC's full name....clearly too hard for jagex to decode that a.....player named Miles teleported me from fishing sharks while i was afk for few mins.

Best to play it safe, flawed detections and flawed teams viewing the details clearly just side with the systems results and not looking at the evidence or context.....

Furthermore reasons to not trust jagex's evidence, companies will always be weak in customer services because they don't care for the players, only money at the end of the day....

Only the player loses if they are falsely banned, jagex can enjoy this 'fast action cheap shot systems' but soon....accountability might be declared against companies and jagex never even added case sensitive chars to passwords, again, more details pointing to 'being cheap' at the players expense.

15-Feb-2023 15:51:17 - Last edited on 15-Feb-2023 16:46:09 by XSlay4DeathX

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