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I thought so ... you didn't prove anything at all because you are talking about the '
Regular payment Method for membership/purchases
'.
You offer Jagex money.

What we are talking about here is '
paying by gameplay by purchasing Bonds through the Grand Exchange
'.

These prices are subject to merchanting ...

27-Nov-2023 20:18:46 - Last edited on 27-Nov-2023 20:19:15 by 2_Tron

Tenebri
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2_Tron said :
I thought so ... you didn't prove anything at all because you are talking about the '
Regular payment Method for membership/purchases
'.
You offer Jagex money.

What we are talking about here is '
paying by gameplay by purchasing Bonds through the Grand Exchange
'.

These prices are subject to merchanting ...


yes i merch them all the time, its how i make bills per year.


you are saying this is a problem

it is not. that is what i want you to prove how is it a problem its literally what i have been asking for you to prove. you havent

everything is subject to merching, but you are saying this is a problem and causing the prices to be what they are. this is what i am asking you prove, prove that merching is the thing causing this.

im not trying to say people dont merch them. thats nonsensical. i merch them
im saying its not a problem it doesnt cause the prices to rise or fall like they do. that is what you are claiming, and that is what i want evidence for.

you are saying that there should be a cap of 12 bonds. therefore you think merching is main issue for price of bonds, it is not

this is what i wanted you to provide any evidence for

you just said

"look at the ge"

that is not evidence.

with your idea of 12 bonds limit, we cant buy yearly membership which is 20 bonds. and it also does nothing to stop changes in price. because as we can see
from today
the price went from 73m to 88m. not because of merchers but because of an event update!!!



^^^ that is the evidence

1 day ago 73m todays update happens, it sky rockets to 88m in few hours.

that is evidence, but sure ive proven nothing. just look at the ge, that is what it shows, 73m to 88m from an update, so yes i did look at the ge, this is what we found, it is not merchers but updates.
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27-Nov-2023 20:25:32 - Last edited on 27-Nov-2023 20:34:17 by Tenebri

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@Tenebri, that merching is your favorite gameplay that is fine, do it with ingame items and that's OK as I have no problems with as if I don't wanna pay for something I just gain it by playing RuneScape/OldSchool RuneScape.

Bonds I can't get ingame as it isn't an ingame-item, yet it is a payment method. If I want to purchase a bond through gameplay, gameplay I accomplished myself, I suddenly are being influenced by merchers taking away my chance. To get my bonds for a 'fair fixed price' merchers have two ways to ride me off the road to obtain bonds.

1) You use your gameplay to play with supply/demand raising prices up to an unacceptable level

2) You use real life money to buy bonds and use them as a ways to manipulate supply/demand

In both ways players who wanna buy bonds through gameplay are manipulated by merchers being left empty handed or lose huge amounts of gameplay/gametime because of merchers.

27-Nov-2023 20:33:37 - Last edited on 27-Nov-2023 20:36:59 by 2_Tron

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2_Tron said :
@Tenebri, that merching is your favorite gameplay that is fine, do it with ingame items and that's OK as I have no problems with as if I don't wanna pay for something I just gain it by playing RuneScape/OldSchool RuneScape.

i will carry on doing it with bonds / rares / weapons / tools / supplies etc.

because its fine to do so.

Tenebri said :

with your idea of 12 bonds limit, we cant buy yearly membership which is 20 bonds. and it also does nothing to stop changes in price. because as we can see
from today
the price went from 73m to 88m. not because of merchers but because of an event update!!!



^^^ that is the evidence

1 day ago 73m todays update happens, it sky rockets to 88m in few hours.

that is evidence, but sure ive proven nothing. just look at the ge, that is what it shows, 73m to 88m from an update, so yes i did look at the ge, this is what we found, it is not merchers but updates.


2_Tron said :


2) You use real life money to buy bonds and use them as a ways to manipulate supply/demand


i do not buy bonds for real life money, all of my bonds i have bought have been with ingame GP,
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27-Nov-2023 20:36:27 - Last edited on 27-Nov-2023 20:38:30 by Tenebri

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2_Tron said :


In both ways players who wanna buy bonds through gameplay are manipulated by merchers being left empty handed or lose huge amounts of gameplay/gametime because of merchers.


can you provide actual numbers on how many bonds would have to be bought to have this effect?


this isnt how it works, to do this to actually have an effect on the item price it would have to be a huge amount, thats impossible to do. especially with bonds, you would have to get the majority of the supply to do this.

are you aware you can only use 1 slot per bond? to buy and sell? this is a huge impact to not be able to hoard them to the effect that we cant have an actual effect on the price.

im glad you are now actually getting into the discussion properly instead of avoiding it,

do you know how long it takes to buy 500 bonds? i want to hear your guess.

jagex have done very well to stop the manipulation of bond prices (merching and manipulation are 2 different things)
1. 10% fee to make them tradeable again.
2. 500 limit (no where near enough to make a difference in price)
3. limiting only selling / buying 1 bond per ge slot. (impossible to properly dump the item)(impossible to buy lots quickly to hoard)

these 3 limits on bonds make it impossible to manip prices for bonds.

so please go on tell me how its merchers doing it. im begging you give me your numbers.
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27-Nov-2023 20:39:19 - Last edited on 27-Nov-2023 20:51:26 by Tenebri

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'
Payment Methods shouldn't be subject to merchanting at all
' as none of Jagex's other payments are.

Buying Bonds through gameplay should respectfully be treated with a fixed price like all payments are.

Players have a respectful amount of time spend online to pay through gameplay yet they are scammed by fluctuating prices only going up higher and higher and merchers are making it worse.

27-Nov-2023 20:53:26

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2_Tron said :
'
Payment Methods shouldn't be subject to merchanting at all
' as none of Jagex's other payments are.
.


clearly not as jagex dont think so.

but thats a nice opinion

but with whats been said today i want to merch bonds even more. (but its not the time to buy)

2_Tron said :

Players have a respectful amount of time spend online to pay through gameplay yet they are scammed by fluctuating prices only going up higher and higher and merchers are making it worse.


i happily pay the price of 20 bonds per year. for 2 of my accounts to have premier membership. all made ingame usually in a month or so. they are far from being too expensive to buy membership for

there are ways to make bonds in a few hours. (that isnt merching / flipping etc)
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27-Nov-2023 21:10:17 - Last edited on 27-Nov-2023 21:18:04 by Tenebri

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2_Tron said :


Buying Bonds through gameplay should respectfully be treated with a fixed price like all payments are.

.


not they shouldnt.

that would give an actual currency exchange for ingame gp to real life money

jagex legally are not allowed to do this



"cannot equate ingame items to real world value"

so bonds legally can not be a fixed price. as that would be equating ingame items to real world value (aka the exchange price of bond to gp, to price of a bond for £$€ etc)

so saying bonds should be a fixed price would make jagex lawyers go nuts. because they can not do it.
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27-Nov-2023 21:11:37 - Last edited on 27-Nov-2023 21:15:23 by Tenebri

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A fixed price, with ingame currency/money paid, can certainly be set as real life money has also a fixed price for the same amount of game-time.

'
A Bond is NOT an ingame item
' ... a Bond is a representation of a certain amount of 'GAMEPLAY' over a certain amount of 'TIME'.

I can buy bonds, buy through items as I have played RuneScape/OldSchool RuneScape for a certain amount of time to get these items and transfer them into RuneScape currency to buy Bonds with that currency.

You are comparing apples and oranges with your example of Mod Ash.

27-Nov-2023 21:32:55

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