RuneScape Forum Archive | Questions on FH and reporting

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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New question:

Why is making reference to player (note: not discussion the player) who doesn't participate in the thread not allowed in the forum now?

I have seen players like Zezi__, Th_ O_d Kni___ etc being referenced in numerous threads by numerous players often throughout the existence of the RSOF, as well as player guessing/arguing who would win whatever competitions, or players quoting guides of other players for reference. None of these players referenced participated in the thread.

10-Dec-2023 22:15:50

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
Why is making reference to player (note: not discussion the player) who doesn't participate in the thread not allowed in the forum now? It's always nice and paramount to share the whole details before asking questions. Your question, as is, is missing key details as to why you are asking. This will not allow players to fully understand where you are coming from.

You well know that simply mentioning a player is not against the rules. You can mention me in another thread and I can mention you as well, as long as I do not do it in a derogatory manner. For example, I can say things like, " Dilbert2001 uses and posts on various threads regularly here on the Forums. He's an active RSOFs user. " That's completely fine because 1) it's true and 2) it isn't derogatory. Now, what is against the rules is when players mention you in a shameful way, i.e., " Dilbert2001 is x and y; Dilbert2001 is this and that ". You know the examples that I am referring to as I do not wish to explicitly state them here.

The naming and shaming rule was created because players would usually discuss others in a negative way without that person being present to defend themselves, so to speak. The perfect example is when someone posts a thread with a list of potential bots or players that are breaking the rules in-game. Those threads/posts are locked/hidden because you can't prove on the Forums that those people are actually doing what they are being accused of. That's naming and shaming, for example.

Now, whenever you mention Zezima, The Old Nite, etc., there is nothing wrong with doing so, as long as you don't shame them. Zezima and The Old Nite are well known RuneScape players and are even considered legends by many. Complimenting someone isn't against the rules; speaking ill of someone is, specially, if you don't have proof of what you are accusing them of.

11-Dec-2023 18:24:18

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
I have seen players like Zezi__, Th_ O_d Kni___ etc being referenced in numerous threads by numerous players often throughout the existence of the RSOF, as well as player guessing/arguing who would win whatever competitions, or players quoting guides of other players for reference. None of these players referenced participated in the thread. None of those players being mentioned were shamed.

You can literary see the list of players by accessing the HiScores. Naming them here on the Forums isn't against the rules. The Maikeru or Omid or Neither never spoke ill of those RuneScape players mentioned. You were a participant in the thread and you mentioned various players and neither of your posts were hidden because you didn't name/shame them and no rules were broken.

As for quoting another player for guides, that's fine because you are giving credit when credit is due and adding reference for validity. There is nothing wrong with that and that's not against the rules.

11-Dec-2023 18:31:39

2_Tron

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Dilbert2001 said :
New question:

Why is making reference to player (note: not discussion the player) who doesn't participate in the thread not allowed in the forum now?

I have seen players like Zezi__, Th_ O_d Kni___ etc being referenced in numerous threads by numerous players often throughout the existence of the RSOF, as well as player guessing/arguing who would win whatever competitions, or players quoting guides of other players for reference. None of these players referenced participated in the thread. The moment players in the forums are breaking the rules you are allowed to report them in Forum Help for breaking the rules.

By all means you are not allowed to copy bad behaviour, of breaking the rules, and do the same things wrong others have been doing wrong before you.

You were to discuss the subject 'Sailing' not discussing players of the RuneScape Community.

11-Dec-2023 19:51:55

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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@Mrs Ana

Of course, I understand the no naming and shaming rules in the RSOF, and I believe this falls into the "discuss he topic, not the player" rule.

"It's always nice and paramount to share the whole details before asking questions"

I definitely wanted to, but unfortunately the response I was getting from a Fmod doesn't share the whole details:

"post made reference to a player, who had not participated in the discussion in the thread. Providing links to Twitch streams does not justify the content you had posted "

A Twitch streamer called himself name and discussed it in their stream and titles too. The key discussion is not the name he called himself, but why he played or stopped to play certain content. Is this naming and shaming somebody when we just quoted what they called themselves? I am pretty sure from the streamer's perspective they weren't naming and shaming themselves. They probably were pleased to let us know their efforts in their game. This is like somebody said they "no-life" a game, but I don't believe quoting themselves saying they "no-life" a game will be shaming them as someone really have no life.

@2_Tron

"The moment players in the forums are breaking the rules you are allowed to report them in Forum Help for breaking the rules."

I knew that, and I used the FH but the response I received did not address then actual nature of the situation, and AFAIK we can only use the FH to ask once, so I don't want to bring the discussion to this forum and see if the Jagex community has any comments and ideas on how to make the forums and FH discussion better.

12-Dec-2023 20:38:25

2_Tron

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2_Tron said :
Dilbert2001 said :
New question:

Why is making reference to player (note: not discussion the player) who doesn't participate in the thread not allowed in the forum now?

I have seen players like Zezi__, Th_ O_d Kni___ etc being referenced in numerous threads by numerous players often throughout the existence of the RSOF, as well as player guessing/arguing who would win whatever competitions, or players quoting guides of other players for reference. None of these players referenced participated in the thread. ...

'
You were to discuss the subject 'Sailing'
not discussing
players of the RuneScape Community
'.

12-Dec-2023 20:48:38

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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2_Tron said :
2_Tron said :
Dilbert2001 said :
New question:

Why is making reference to player (note: not discussion the player) who doesn't participate in the thread not allowed in the forum now?

I have seen players like Zezi__, Th_ O_d Kni___ etc being referenced in numerous threads by numerous players often throughout the existence of the RSOF, as well as player guessing/arguing who would win whatever competitions, or players quoting guides of other players for reference. None of these players referenced participated in the thread. ...

'
You were to discuss the subject 'Sailing'
not discussing
players of the RuneScape Community
'.

Exactly! Let's say if some player X "names and shames" himself as an "addicted to Sailing" and goes on to talk about how good or bad Sailing is, can we reference and quote those players this way:

"The self-proclaimed addict to sailing, X, told us Sailing is good (or bad)...

<A thousand words constructive discussion on Sailing follows here...>"

Now, even if this is against forum rules because player X doesn't discuss Sailing on the thread, should the Fmod just edit and remove the "self-proclaimed addict" quote and let the entire RSOF community have a constructive discussion on Player X's comment on Sailing?

12-Dec-2023 21:03:34 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2023 21:12:57 by Dilbert2001

2_Tron

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The only right way to continue said discussion is to avoid mentioning any player anywhere, even if it means said player puts him-/herself in an odd way into the discussion, just stick to the subject 'sailing' and avoid/ignore mentioning any 'player/groups of players' specific.

The way some players portray themselves in a discussion is to draw another persons attention.

12-Dec-2023 21:12:48

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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2_Tron said :
The only right way to continue said discussion is to avoid mentioning any player anywhere, even if it means said player puts him-/herself in an odd way into the discussion, just stick to the subject 'sailing' and avoid/ignore mentioning any 'player/groups of players' specific.

The way some players portray themselves in a discussion is to draw another persons attention.

Why can't we mention other players when they publicly share their opinions on Sailing?

So let's say Zezi__ said why they loved to play Runescpae so much on Twitch, we can't mentioned Zezi__ said why we should play Runescape in the RSOF? How does the context work if we left out Zezima in the discussion?

And when the discussion is why did people quit Runescape, and Zezi__ said he quit Runescape because this and that... how is there anything left for discussion if we don't mention Zezi__?

Now, please also tell us if this kind of comment is allowed in the RSOF:

" Proto__ did a video saying it only boosts prayer potions by 20-30 points per dose which isn't worth the slot "

If we don't mention Proto___, how could we still have a constructive and educated discussion?

12-Dec-2023 21:22:21 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2023 21:27:35 by Dilbert2001

2_Tron

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I didn't say you can't mention another player ...

When you want to start a discussion about sailing, 'Sailing' is the subject to discuss and nothing else is.

What's the purpose of naming players as it distracts you from the main purpose of discussion and that is in your example 'Sailing'.

Your examples of 'Zezima' is only at best ... '
a lot of hearsay
' as it can't be verified as said person (Zezima) isn't 'present/taking part' in said discussion.

If you wanna maintain a fruitful discussion the only right way is to talk about said subject and avoid making things personal by naming 'players/groups of players' as it isn't of any interest for Jagex/JMods or RuneScape Community.

12-Dec-2023 21:34:31