RuneScape Forum Archive | Give F-mods the power

Noddar

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F-mods should have the power to deal with known players posting fake prices.
When it's so obviously blatant and everyone knows it's fake give them the power to take the appropriate action where necessary.

Action isn't required on everything, but when a players accounts are known to the whole playerbase and are being disruptive something should be done.

Sending a email to tipoff is a waste of resources when a capable F-mod could deal with the issue immediately.

14-Jun-2021 17:04:17

Mrs Ana

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First of all, I think that the Item Discussion Specific Rules are either completely wrong or outdated:

"Can I say that my item is worth more than it is?
No – this is called price manipulation and is a permanent ban offence. Make sure you are honest about the prices you pay for or sell items at."

According to this post by Tuffty , price manipulation posts can't be moderated:
Tuffty said :
Also fake transactions and manipulating posts they can't be moderated as per the rules Mod Poerkie set out not too long ago. People need to do their own research beforehand. Considering that this is the case, may we please update the Forum Specific Rules in the Item Discussion sub-forum to update the fact that manipulating the prices does not get you permanently banned? Furthermore, it is possible to see where exactly Mod Poerkie laid out the change in the approach to this specific rule?

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"Someone here has said that their item is worth more than I think it is
We cannot endorse the prices listed in this forum, so you should not fully trust anything you see listed without doing your own research prior."

This is also considered price manipulation, but since it cannot be moderated any longer, this needs to be completely removed or updated to reflect the changes that Mod Poerkie shared with the community.

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14-Jun-2021 18:48:02

Mrs Ana

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[...Continued from above...]

"What if I think the moderators are wrong?
Forum moderators are hand-picked by Jagex and will make decisions based on their training and game knowledge. Though those decisions may not reflect what you think, their actions are on behalf of Jagex, and are therefore final. "

I'm unsure if this is exactly what they tried to convey, but a Forum Moderator's action may not be final up until it's reviewed by a member of Jagex after someone reports their behavior to Forum Moderation Review V3 . The way I read this is that if a Forum Moderator hid/closed by post/thread, then I am unable to question their actions because their decision is final. Therefore, I believe this goes against the main idea behind FMR and thus this should be updated within the Forum Specific Rules of Item Discussion to ensure that everything makes sense.

Additionally, I'm perfectly aware that a ban placed by a Forum Moderator is automatically reviewed by Jagex to double check that their actions were just, correct and within the guidelines set out by them. In this specific scenario, I am referring to any and every other action taken by a Forum Moderator that does not involve banning someone from the RSOFs.

14-Jun-2021 18:48:15

CM Nick

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I agree that the forum specific rules should be updated for the ID forums, as the information currently there is out of date with current forum practices that have been highlighted above.

I'll take a look at those today and propose some changes to send along to Jagex to see if they can be updated.

Poerkie instituted this rule back in October of 2019, after we poked him about how Price Manipulation should be moderated going forward, as there were many, many disputes.

His quote was in the original manipulation report thread and was as follows:

"It's become very difficult to manage and take action against price manipulations and therefor we should no longer treat the forums as a source of truth and we advise everyone to do their own research before participating in discontinued and/or high value items."

At any rate, I will see if we can get those Forum Specific Rules updated

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14-Jun-2021 19:38:59

Noddar

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Thanks Nick,

I know it would've been a bit of a pain previously as Jmods wouldn't have had the time to look into hundreds of reports. I trust the judgment of F-mod's when there's a player known for posting a whole page of fake prices in a thread with multiple alts.

I don't see any positives in allowing these players to be a nuisance for their own entertainment with no deterrent at least. I understand prices fluctuate and people always need to do research but there's really no excuse to turn a blind eye to something that's obvious.
It promotes toxicity to allow these players to continue and I know the current person posting fake prices has a history of toxic behaviour.

I appreciate it Nick, any changes will be beneficial with new players coming with mobile release.

14-Jun-2021 20:54:21

Mrs Ana

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CM Nick said :
-Snip- Thanks for posting, CM Nick. Please keep us updated

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I have also gone ahead to take a screenshot of Mod Poerkie's post on the last page of the thread that CM Nick quoted above. Considering that the locked thread mentioned above is about to fall off the RSOFs and that CM Nick's link doesn't directly lead to Mod Poerkie's post, I have added the screenshot below to keep it safe and for reference:

14-Jun-2021 21:11:46 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2021 21:23:24 by Mrs Ana

Noddar

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Thanks Mrs Ana

14-Jun-2021 21:19:12

Dec

2011

Archaeox

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So let me get this right...

OP is suggesting that FMods, who are player volunteers, should invest a substantial amount of time into becoming experts in the rares market, just so other people don't have to?

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15-Jun-2021 07:43:33

Dec

2011

Draco Burnz

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Archaeox said :
So let me get this right...

OP is suggesting that FMods, who are player volunteers, should invest a substantial amount of time into becoming experts in the rares market, just so other people don't have to?

Sounds like it.

Yea, i quite dont understand the concept myself

They already have enough on their plates as is, lets not put more onto it.

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15-Jun-2021 11:52:25

2_Tron

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'
FMods do not need other power than they are now allowed to
'.

Trading is a player responsibility and nobody else has to babysit every player-transaction than said players themselves.

I have a better more final solution to this, the solution is that Jagex sets a 'trading-cap of 500million exp' onto The Grand Exchange so larger trades become impossible to do.
The maximum trade will be 500million exp.

15-Jun-2021 12:06:06

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