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Loki
Sep Member 2011

Loki

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No support, sorry.

I had a look through this thread before there were masses of messages hidden, however I'll give my response now, and try to quote certain things.

To start off;
2_Tron said :
1. In The RSOF we are already being helped by Player Moderators.
2. Most feedback in The RSOF is RuneScape related feedback which requires game-knowledge
3. Events can again be hosted from The RSOF as how it was.
4. having FMods in The RSOF and PMods in RuneScape, have always caused a massive stressful situation in The RuneScape Community. Up to this day it still isn’t solved and will always cause confusion and unnecessary bickering throughout The RSOF. Having “One Team” with “One Voice” over both places will, after a while, calm things down to an acceptable level.
5. with PMods at the helm in The RSOF a lot of gaming information, we now miss, will reach us easier so we don’t have to go to Social Media. 1. How do you know this? I've seen several people that I know are not PMods.
2. Any one who plays the game, no matter their status or levels, etc, has knowledge and can provide feedback to those who need it. This isn't really a reason to make PMods visible on the forums.
3. Aren't events hosted on the forums now anyway, regardless of forum background?
4. I agree with the first part, it does cause confusion, and I've lost count how many times people have messaged me in-game asking me to lock a thread or hide something, and then to their shock, finding out that I'm not an FMod (probably because I run quite a few threads in a few subforums). The only way I see a proper solution to this, is reinstating the "Forum Mod" text underneath the green crown as it once was on every FMods post, and making the list of Forum Mods easier to find.
5. Can be done without PMods/FMods - Social Media News V25 ;) No matter who it is, they can contribute to the thread and help out. There's no rules specifically stating "Mods only"
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19-Jun-2020 17:58:28

Loki
Sep Member 2011

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Only 9 Lives said :
I still think it's a bad idea, because a Player Moderator should be able to be on the forums, without anyone knowing the person is a Player Moderator.

Maybe the Player Moderator would be able to choose if they want to be anonymous as Player Moderator or not on the RuneScape forums. To be honest, I think this should apply to FMods. The one
good
thing about the RS3 Reddit, is that moderators of the subreddit have the option to post something 'official' as a moderator and it will show as green, or if they're posting casually, then their post will show as a regular users post. The RSOF should be like that - where FMods are able to 'post as a moderator' with the green coloured post, or post as a player with the normal player background.
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19-Jun-2020 18:00:58

Loki
Sep Member 2011

Loki

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Ownage Omg said :
Do you think Player Moderators should have a silver background and a crown on the forums? I think they should and here is why.

1) It is a symbol of trust and gives credibility to player mods who post on the forums.
2) If someone is being harassed in game and posts it on the forums, a player mod could actually reply with advice and potentially log into the game to deal with the parties involved.
3) Makes event hosting easier and look more legit since a lot of p mods I know like to host events. Hey Ownage, I just wanted some clarifications from you regarding the OP.

1. While that may be true, I don't think they need to be highlighted. What happens if a player posts advice, and then a PMod/FMod comes along afterwards and posts the same thing (worded slightly differently), and then the person needing help only thanks the mods, while ignoring the player. This has happened to be several times in the past, and made me feel awful. If there's more forum background colours pointing out moderators, then what's to stop regular players from helping out any more?

2. I have seen this happen a lot on the forums, and players & FMods alike have all provided great advice. If harassment happens - then the ignore list and report buttons are there for a reason. If people know the forums are a place to go to get people muted via a PMod, then there will start to be 100s of threads requesting this.

3. How would it make events easier? Posting forum threads is the same for everyone, FMods, LMods, CH and players alike. The only mods who have posting benefits (using HTML) are JMods, so this wouldn't matter. As for making events more 'legit' - wouldn't this discourage normal players from hosting events, by implying their events aren't legit enough to be posted?

Also - what if PMods do not want to be shown on the forums? They could then be targeted for harassment in-game if someone sees their name on the forums.



Tl;dr - No support, sorry.
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19-Jun-2020 18:08:55

2_Tron

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@Loki,
1. How do you know this? I've seen several people that I know are not PMods.

Game-knowledge … experience in RuneScape worlds throughout the years and JMod clan-chats, as well as intel from other players. If PMods do speak up you can’t miss that crown.

2. Any one who plays the game, no matter their status or levels, etc, has knowledge and can provide feedback to those who need it. This isn't really a reason to make PMods visible on the forums.

change of food makes you eat
… with a new Team on The RSOF it is possible that more players of The RuneScape Community are willing to visit The RSOF and listen what PMods have to say and how they do process things.
Everybody else, players & Community Helpers, can still give feedback the way they always have done and continue doing so.

3. Aren't events hosted on the forums now anyway, regardless of forum background?

There aren’t enough as always, the more … the sooner the better.

4. I agree with the first part, it does cause confusion, and I've lost count how many times people have messaged me in-game asking me to lock a thread or hide something, and then to their shock, finding out that I'm not an FMod (probably because I run quite a few threads in a few subforums). The only way I see a proper solution to this, is reinstating the "Forum Mod" text underneath the green crown as it once was on every FMods post, and making the list of Forum Mods easier to find.

For a decade we have tried everything … everything, now it is time that a new Team is coming and take it from their perspective and give it shape they do deem to see fit.
PMods for too long have lived in the Shadows of RuneScape and now it is their time. Of course, not all of them are instantly eager to step into the spotlights but with long enough time to adjust I think they too would see benefits as we do, The RuneScape Community.

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19-Jun-2020 20:05:24

2_Tron

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5. Can be done without PMods/FMods - Social Media News V25 No matter who it is, they can contribute to the thread and help out. There's no rules specifically stating "Mods only”

Why? Let them figure out themselves, The RSOF hasn’t have any template how to use The RSOF (other than the Code of Conduct) and how to address information to The RuneScape Community.
If they decide to help you then that’s good, if they decide to do it differently then please do so and we will embrace all these new things.

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19-Jun-2020 20:06:05 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2020 20:20:18 by 2_Tron

Ownage Omg

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Loki said :
To be honest, I think this should apply to FMods. The one
good
thing about the RS3 Reddit, is that moderators of the subreddit have the option to post something 'official' as a moderator and it will show as green, or if they're posting casually, then their post will show as a regular users post What would be the point of this? We all know the f mods here given that we're a much smaller community and we could just browse profiles to see green posts lol. The harassment thing is a legit point but f mods already deal with this so it's invalidated because setting pm to friends is a thing.

On the points you posted in your next post.
1) Yeah it might make other people feel bad but the mod reply is more of a confirmation I guess? I do see your point here.
2) Spam could be an issue but we could have a whole section dedicated to harassment reports and IF p mods want to help they have that option to.
3) P mods are supposed to be "community champions" and them posting events wouldn't necessarily make other people's events illegitimate. People generally show more interest to events held by someone in a certain position such as j mod events. I'll admit my point here is pretty weak.
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19-Jun-2020 21:33:22 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2020 21:39:30 by Ownage Omg

Malua
May Member 2006

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No support.

The topic of extra background colours for certain categories of account in the forums has been discussed before - and rejected.
It wasn't discussed by us, it was discussed at management level, by JMods.
This is why Community Helpers don't have a background colour.

Your point #2 is wrong, just wrong.
When I see one of those "I was harassed and want to know what to do" posts in the forums, it makes my heart sink because I know it is already too late to report.
Players need to understand the in-game reporting system. Otherwise they are never going to get rule breaking flagged to Jagex.
Players need to learn and understand how to report: How to report a player
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20-Jun-2020 01:37:49

Ownage Omg

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Hey Malua, big fan
Malua said :
The topic of extra background colours for certain categories of account in the forums has been discussed before - and rejected.
It wasn't discussed by us, it was discussed at management level, by JMods.
This is why Community Helpers don't have a background colour. Why is this a good thing though? Community Helpers have more of a reason to stand out than p mods do so maybe my thread should have mentioned you guys too.

In your case, wouldn't it be beneficial to show people that you really are a trusted source of information? I could just shove something mentioning Community Helper in my own signature. How would your average non forumer know whether or not I really am a CH? People could use it to troll even though I've not really seen it often.

Apparently there is a list somewhere but I'm unaware of where this list is. Your average non forumer isn't going to go and check who the CH's are.
Malua said :
Your point #2 is wrong, just wrong.
When I see one of those "I was harassed and want to know what to do" posts in the forums, it makes my heart sink because I know it is already too late to report. On this point on reporting people in game instead of posting on the forums, I do agree with the argument you're making. I post this in reply all the time myself. My point was aimed more at the possibility of continued harassment players and clans may face in game which could be quickly solved by a volunteer p mod on the spot.
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20-Jun-2020 02:23:01 - Last edited on 20-Jun-2020 02:26:06 by Ownage Omg

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