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Loki
Sep Member 2011

Loki

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Some of the example posts you have on Page 5 should be put into quote boxes, so users can easily distinguish the example post from your advice. If you don't know how to do this, let me know and I can assist you with this.

5.
5.3 Giving Feedback - small thing, but maybe have the poor/average/high quality parts in another colour.

6.
There's a lot of punctuation errors throughout the thread (although understandable as you said English is not your first language)

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The section about PMods/CHs - you could refer these two threads from the Community Home subsection, although I personally think those threads are useless being there... Player Moderators by Mod Gambit, Community Helper - Info by Mod Infinity.

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There's a few parts of your thread which mention "refer to section xx". It would be nice if you hyperlinked to the post if it's not on the same page.

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1.7 FAQ - Maybe have the question bolded, or in another colour, and not have a space between the question and answer?

10.
On the Table of Contents, I'm a little confused why there's a big gap between CoC and Mods section :P

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The Quick Help section on Page 1 does not stand out at all. In my opinion, it's hard to read/look at due to lack of colours/setting out.

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Page 1; Post 9 - The hyperlink to my Social Media thread will soon become a dead link. As this thread will be updated with a new thread each month, there will be a new QFC. Rather than you having to update it each month, simply link to the General subsection and mention the stickied 'Social Media News' thread.
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26-Dec-2018 14:14:51

Loki
Sep Member 2011

Loki

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The inclusion of my directory - again links are changing very frequently which means more work for you to keep updating that post. Also, the purpose of a directory is to direct players somewhere very quickly - which is why all 3 of my directories on the forums just contain links, and very short descriptions or no descriptions at all. Being tucked away at the back of your thread probably isn't good as people don't have to have to open a thread, navigate to the back of it and look for what they want. They want things to be as easy as possible.

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Also, I don't think it's really nice to try and replace other peoples' threads by including their content on your thread.


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I'll try and go through the thread again another day when I'm not sick, and see if I can add anymore advise about the thread. :)
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26-Dec-2018 14:14:59 - Last edited on 26-Dec-2018 14:15:16 by Loki

Wynd

Wynd

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Hey, Liebster. You have an excellent idea for a guide and I am pretty sure that if tweaked correctly, it can become extremely useful for everyone here on the Forums. I too want to provide feedback regarding your thread and I sure hope that it aids you in making it better.

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• I too agree with Loki: you should use a more approachable title. The guide you have here is really a collection of other guides and information that can be found on the RuneScape website, Wiki or any other source. I personally like:
Beginner's Guide to the Forums
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Liebster said :
If you did not break any rules and are member you might be able to appeal the offence. • Even if you broke the rules, you are still given one last chance to appeal, unless the rule(s) you broke is/are one of the following:
Account Hijacking, Bug Abuse, Real World Trading and any other manual permanent ban (fraud, community safety).


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Liebster said :
1 Basics


1.1 Who is Jagex? • I think adding their website (Jagex.com) is beneficial to this part of the post so that people can learn more about the company, current job offers, etc.

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Liebster said :
Normal threads are made to stickies by Jagex. • You did mention somewhere else that F-Mods have the ability to sticky threads, so you probably forgot to add it to this section.

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Liebster said :
Forum avatars are only available for members and only in RS3. • You may want to add that borrowed items cannot be used for taking pictures and that you can only change your pictures every two hours.

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Liebster said :
2.8 Signatures • Signatures should not break the rules (obviously) and if they do, a J-Mod or an F-Mod can and will edit it out.

26-Dec-2018 17:32:20

Wynd

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Liebster said :
-- RealWorldTrading also means giving away free stuff to players for commenting on your forum threads. • Where did you get this from? Do you have a source? Real-World-Trading has a totally different meaning than this.

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Liebster said :
No quitting threads
• Quitting threads aren't allowed for the simple fact that lots of forumers will start asking/begging for the items and begging is considered spam. Some quitting threads have lived due to the fact that the OP has been able to keep the thread begging-free and have turned it into a normal and constructive conversation.

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Liebster said :
Yup, you must not announce drop parties on the forums. • This is a little tricky one. You cannot write a thread with the sole purpose of hosting a drop party. That is to say that I cannot create a thread and post, "Drop party! Come to Falador." That's against the rules.

However, if you are hosting an event and you wish to have a drop party during/after the event, then that's fine.

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Liebster said :
When you disagree then the best is to ask why the thread was locked/post was hidden. You can directly jump to Forum Moderation Review as long as it was no Lmod or Jmod. • If someone's thread is locked, the F-Mod who took action will leave a response explaining why it was locked. Sometimes, if the contents of the threads are too dangerous, the thread is completely hidden and the user in question may receive a response to their Message Centre by Jagex.

When and if you disagree with their actions, you are more than welcome to use the FMR sticky, but there is no need to ask why as these reasons will always be provided to you. You will simply agree or disagree with them and depending on your choice, that will determine what actions you will take next.

26-Dec-2018 17:32:26

Wynd

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Liebster said :
4.1 Jagex Mods • You may want to add that Jagex Moderators can edit anyone's post here on the Forums and once that is done, it cannot be edited by the user in question and can only be edited by a J-Mod. Furthermore, if a Jagex Moderator edits a title or hides a post, an F-Mod will not be able to either edit that title or unhide that post.

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Liebster said :
4.2 Forum Mods • Some details here may be considered confidential as it hasn't been publicly stated by Jagex or the F-Mods themselves. You may wish to revise that.

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Overall, I like what you have here. It just needs a few minor adjustments. Also, it would be a good idea if you directed users to the guides instead of copying and pasting them here. As it has been mentioned, some users would like to be asked prior to using their content and the best way to play it is to summarize their guides and add a direct link to them. You are both honoring their rights and taking the correct steps. I am sure everyone appreciates that.

26-Dec-2018 17:32:31

Liebster

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Hey
Loki
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to 1: I choose the title that way since this is not an official guide. It's just my thoughts and my collection. If it would have been recognized by Jagex as a good guide I'll change the title. The background story of this is a forums guide (for the german forums) I wrote 2009. This guide was named "Forums guide" and its name was changed by a jmod to "Liebster's forums guide" since "Forums guide" sounds official and it's not an official guide. Therefore the title.

To 2: The 1,2,3, etc.. headlines are gold and bold, the subheadlines are just bold. I also added some color when I went through the whole thread.

To 3: I have quoted people from which I took information. The quote directly leads to their thread. But I'll ask for permission.

To 4: Sorted

To 5: Sorted

To 6: I tried to get rid of these errors with Grammarly. I used only the OpenOffice correction when I wrote this thread. If there are still any please don't hesitate to post them. At school our teacher once said that the English don't use any comma at all. :S I never learned english punctuation.

To 7: I already referred to both threads. I linked to them.

To 8: Sorted. If I missed any please post.

To 9: I made them green. Sorted

To 10: Sorted

To 11: It's not much text. Should be easy to read. We could discuss this later.

To 12: Sorted

To 13: The links are meant to complete the guide and give a rough overview. That's their purpose on my guide. They are not meant to be used as quick links ;) . Since the guide gives information on how to use the forums your directory is just the perfect end. The guide finishes with showing the possibilities of the forums :) . That was the reason why it was put at the end.

To 14: Hmm, well, yes I have to admit some threads like the "how to upload an image"-sticky could be replaced by my thread. But that was not the idea behind it. The idea was to give all information needed for good foruming in one place. OSRS Newb Help Initiative

26-Dec-2018 19:19:29

Loki
Sep Member 2011

Loki

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Liebster said :
to 1: I choose the title that way since this is not an official guide. It's just my thoughts and my collection. If it would have been recognized by Jagex as a good guide I'll change the title. The background story of this is a forums guide (for the german forums) I wrote 2009. This guide was named "Forums guide" and its name was changed by a jmod to "Liebster's forums guide" since "Forums guide" sounds official and it's not an official guide. Therefore the title. Yeah, years ago when the forum rules/guidelines were extremely strict, there were certain words or combinations in thread titles that weren't allowed. One that comes to mind was the word 'official' (despite 2 player-owned stickied threads at the time having that in their titles when I disputed it).

I can also see why a JMod would've edited your thread title back in 2009 - because the rules back then were very strict. Nowadays, you've not to worry about that, and I'm almost certain that a JMod or FMod will not change the thread title if it was simply 'Forums Guide'.
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26-Dec-2018 19:30:00

Loki
Sep Member 2011

Loki

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Liebster said :
When this thread is seen as useful I might later ask to edit the title and leave out the “Liebster”. The thread already is useful now though - despite having a few things which need some tweaking here and there, it's useful! :)


Unless you're waiting for a response from a JMod, LMod or FMod to state that it's useful and give it recognition, rather than from a couple of regular forumers? :(
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26-Dec-2018 19:33:25

Liebster

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Hi
Wynd
,

I worked on nearly all of your suggestions and corrected my guide. Concerning the RWT thing, I asked a forum moderator in-game and it's rather considered trusted trading. Therefore I deleted this. Regarding the FMods the information should be okay. It has been published on the german forums ages ago by someone who later became Fmod. I guess this person has asked before he published the information.

Concerning the disagree or agree with Fmod's actions: Well I made it the old-fashioned way. There are rules you need to abide if you disagree with someone who took actions against your post because you did not abide by the rules you might not be aware of the rules and how they are meant. In most cases, it is rather a misunderstanding of the rules than a Fmod acting falsely or disagreeing with what touches a rule. I mean the rules are rather clear and are not that roughly enforced so it's likelier that you did not know the rule because it has not been enforced that way than your post is okay and has been misread.


Just my 2 cents
Liebster OSRS Newb Help Initiative

26-Dec-2018 19:51:40

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