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Tuffty
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Philasophia said :
I agree with this. These forums used to be extremely popular waaay back in the day. I believe a large part of the issue is that people aren't allowed to be honest on these forums. Understandably, they go elsewhere. On top of that, unless I've missed something, there doesn't appear to be a clear thread for requesting mod reviews. There used to be but it appears that all the threads have been locked. With an inability to be honest and no clear way to "police the police" so to speak, it's really no wonder why people have taken to Reddit. Maybe someday that'll change. (Not counting on it) If not, well... Maybe the forums should die as much as it saddens me to say it.

I'm not so sure about the "1000s of people using the forums" claim. It used to be much more popular. I think Jagex wants to hear the actual opinions of the players but they'd rather not be held accountable for them. Accordingly, they've made the forums overly regulated so as to protect their image, whilst turning to other sources for actual feedback and decision making purposes.
People can be honest. Rules are so relaxed now you can get away with most things. Look at URL's for example. You can post them to safe sites and in the old days you said Google or Microsoft you got a ban. Now look where We are.

Also Yes I meant 1000's. Back in 2005/6/7 the Forums got a whopping 500,000-600,000 posts a week yep that many.

The freedom within these forums has never been as good. Trust me on that you may feel otherwise but thats the facts. The Forum Rules have shrunk to next to nothing. Same with the F-Mod Guidelines believe it or not. Upto you.

As for Review always been a space to ask 1 question on Forum Help and it's been working well since the removal of the Review thread.

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02-Jul-2022 07:39:11 - Last edited on 02-Jul-2022 07:41:35 by Tuffty

Philasophia

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Tuffty said :
Philasophia said :


Accordingly, they've made the forums overly regulated so as to protect their image, whilst turning to other sources for actual feedback and decision making purposes.
People can be honest. Rules are so relaxed now you can get away with most things. Look at URL's for example. You can post them to safe sites and in the old days you said Google or Microsoft you got a ban. Now look where We are.

Also Yes I meant 1000's. Back in 2005/6/7 the Forums got a whopping 500,000-600,000 posts a week yep that many.

As for Review always been a space to ask 1 question on Forum Help and it's been working well since the removal of the Review thread.

Hope that helps.

Firstly, posts don't equal players. I see the same 10 or so players posting very actively throughout the forums. Secondly, I'm talking about now.

How many actual players, (not posts), actually use the forums in 2022? Also, we must consider where the bulk of the traffic is located. The RS Market Place? Nah, we need some love on suggestion/chat forums.

Also, forum help doesn't equate to mod review. If a forum mod committed a serious offense and it were reported in forum help, my estimation is that the other forum mods would most likely protect their own, even if their actions did in fact warrant action to be taken. Also, the bit about "one post per issue" protects f-mods from having to actually deal with examinations of their reasoning. Essentially, you can express your mod powers at personal convenience and then shut down any opposition. Even if they're right and you know it.

Nah, we need a separate channel. Perhaps an option for a second review by a CM or Jmod.

You might say.. "This would burden the Jmods too much" but quite frankly Jmods are easily accessible. You can DM many of them on Twitter. But should someone really have to go on Twitter to address an issue within the RSOF? I am a light within the RuneScape forums. Not just any light, but the light of Diogenes searching for a single honest person.

02-Jul-2022 18:14:04 - Last edited on 02-Jul-2022 19:02:48 by Philasophia

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Another idea is to create the option to leave a rating and comments of f-mods which can be seen and reviewed only by Jmods and CMs, although I'd argue this might be less effective than addressing the issue directly. Perhaps you could be encouraged to reference quicklinks for the behaviors described and rated. I'll say this.. The benefit this option offers is that it could organize the ratings given by players of F-mods and allow Jmods/CMs to spot patterns within the reports to offer constructive criticism. i.e., if several players are complaining about the same issue regarding a specific f-mod, it's probably true and might be worth looking into.

It is my understanding the f-mods used to, or are still capable of, leaving notes on specific players within the forums. I imagine this function may have or is currently in use to make a note of people suspected of being trolls.

This rating system would serve a similar purpose for players in order to identify f-mods who don't quite meld with the community. I am a light within the RuneScape forums. Not just any light, but the light of Diogenes searching for a single honest person.

02-Jul-2022 18:35:25

Tuffty
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@Philasophia

To answer your question about Forum Help reports about F-Mods actions We say 1 post to save clutter. You know you can post more as you did several days back by posting 2-3 questions after each F-Mod reply. It's rare we close down the questions and limit it to 1. Only done if the poster has been abusing the options really. So it can be used for any F-Mod questions or reports. Also just saying if a question is posted and it's a tricky 1 then it gets passed along to Jagex for further review. It's been done several times and still done to this day. So thats another mith squished.

I do get what you are saying about the same 10 people. It's worrying. I'm sure more then 10 people use them though. Not sure how many and also not sure how many posts are made each week. Used to find out when Jagex posted stats. Not had any for a long time. The Forums need some loving from Jagex and I'm sure everyone of us knows that and maybe 1 day we will get some. Fingers crossed we have dropped enough hints. Also Jagex knows this and it's work in progress. ;)

A rating for F-Mods autohide thread I can't see it working as people within the Community who have issues with F-Mods would be using it none stop. Thus taking up Jagex time. Comprehensive Account Security
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05-Jul-2022 08:24:02

Philasophia

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Tuffty,

I think it would be great if Jagex didn't allow some players to break the rules while disallowing others to break those same rules. I retract my earlier statement about mod review because it's not obvious to me that Jagex can handle matters any more fairly and honestly than those they'd be reviewing.

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10-Jul-2022 18:00:53 - Last edited on 10-Jul-2022 18:01:54 by Philasophia

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