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Mod Kari said :
NexOrigin said :
Mod Kari said :
Stoat King said :
2_Tron said :
To clarify before questions asked, everybody is able to subscribe for this position, Jagex/JMods included, as long as they meet the requirements.

It would even more fun if the forumers themselves were to vote on the FMod applicants.

I think everyone would agree that with forumers applying and the rest of the forumers voting, that nothing could go wrong.

I wouldn't want to see someone in a position of power purely because they won a popularity contest. ...

Generally the only people who aren't in favor of "popularity contests" (also known as democratic elections) are the people who know the population won't vote for them, because they're not offering what the population wants. That's why they have to be assigned to the position of dictator, and not elected.

I think forum elections would be very beneficial to the community.

Unfortunately Nex that's not how any new F-Mods will be chosen, assuming we recruit any at all. Well, yeah, we all know it's always going to be a dictatorship. That's the way it's always been, and probably always will.

And unfortunately, I have no faith in how any moderators are chosen. I mean, who thinks recruiting someone who has been banned for macroing for a moderator is a good idea?

Right?

Like, no one bothers to even check? Or if they did, they were just like "Banned for macroing? No problem, you can still be a moderator"... because... logic.

Stoat King said :
NexOrigin said :
I think forum elections would be very beneficial to the community.
I must stress, I was not being serious about that.
It would be interesting to see what happened though. I must stress, I am being serious. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

17-Feb-2021 15:35:53

Joel said :
NexOrigin said :
Hmmm.

Elected official vs. dictator Not sure why I need to point this out, but as much as the world of Gielinor is awesome, it's not a country in the real world where either dictatorships or democracies would be applicable or relevant lol.

If you truly think we are in a dictatorship right now, not only would you have to rid the world of Gielinor of its volunteers to then run elections, you'd also need to run elections for those pesky Jagex Mods as well!

We can't have Jagex hiring folk! No, no no! That simply won't do

We're in the scope of a privately run company who set out their own Terms & Conditions. Volunteer moderators report directly to that company and are subject to the rules & guidelines set out by that company, thus why the company is responsible for selecting individuals into the volunteer roles that exist within RuneScape. Jagex thinks you're worthless, Joel.

When it came time to paying people to moderate the forums, did they even offer the position to you? I mean, you've been volunteering your time to the community for over a decade. You obviously know the position, and know the community. But you're worthless in their eyes. They didn't offer you anything. They took the positions and paid some 3rd party company in Quebec to do the job that you've been doing for free for over a decade. You're worthless to them.


But I would vote for you, Joel, even if Jagex thinks you're worthless. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

17-Feb-2021 15:42:49

The type of populism referred to by the Jagex moderator within this thread is despicable.

We all know what populism can cause. Bigotry, ignorance of opposing views, etc, simply because opposing views are shared by a smaller proportion of people.

The number of people that hold a view does not necessarily dictate that view's validity or respectability...

Let's say we started electing FMods. I can guarantee now that there would be some disgusting results in my eyes. We would have people elected simply because they had big friendship networks, yet they couldn't even properly manage the forums or think critically.

Just because an individual is not elected via a purely populist mechanic, does not necessarily mean that the resulting elected individual is a dictator. I do say that I am indeed a fan of first past the post with other measures appended

Regardless, if additional FMods are brought in due to a populist display of desire for this via this thread by, let's be frank, a group of people that are more concerned by status symbols for friends / people they like, rather than purely the functioning of these forums, then there are going to be even more problems for this platform.

17-Feb-2021 17:48:17

Aeroxmaster said :
The type of populism referred to by the Jagex moderator within this thread is despicable.

We all know what populism can cause. Bigotry, ignorance of opposing views, etc, simply because opposing views are shared by a smaller proportion of people.

The number of people that hold a view does not necessarily dictate that view's validity or respectability...

Let's say we started electing FMods. I can guarantee now that there would be some disgusting results in my eyes. We would have people elected simply because they had big friendship networks, yet they couldn't even properly manage the forums or think critically.

Just because an individual is not elected via a purely populist mechanic, does not necessarily mean that the resulting elected individual is a dictator. I do say that I am indeed a fan of first past the post with other measures appended

Regardless, if additional FMods are brought in due to a populist display of desire for this via this thread by, let's be frank, a group of people that are more concerned by status symbols for friends / people they like, rather than purely the functioning of these forums, then there are going to be even more problems for this platform.
populism:
a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

dictatorship:
a form of government in which one person or a small group possesses absolute power without effective constitutional limitations. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

17-Feb-2021 17:56:01 - Last edited on 17-Feb-2021 17:56:53 by NexOrigin

17-Feb-2021 18:05:40 - Last edited on 17-Feb-2021 18:06:51 by Aeroxmaster

Aeroxmaster said :
FMR is a way to limit what "the powers that be" (as Tranq once referred to them as, lol) do.

The effectiveness of that though is debatable I'll give you that. But there is deffo an in-between between the two systems described. Whether or not that currently exists on the RSOF in particular is another matter.

One thing is for certain though - a simple populist election of forumers to FMod status would not be appropriate. Do you even know who would have the upper hand in that? Do you know how pervasive Jagex ideology is throughout the forums and how this has come about? You see specks of it when people use random smiley face smileys for no reason. This my friend is called the WBM. All of those will vote for the same people to become FMod.

It could be a very disastrous system. Yeah, so... all those people will vote for one person... what's wrong with that? The rest of the people will all vote for whom they want to become FMod. Everyone gets their vote. And the top X number of nominees become FMods.

Who cares if PlayerA gets 1k votes from WBMs? Who cares if PlayerA gets 10x as many votes as anyone else? PlayerB, PlayerC, PlayerD, ..., PlayerX all become FMods, giving a broad range of personalities that become FMods.

If it were an election that would result in only 1 person being promoted to the position, then your concern may be warranted, but, the forums need more than 1 moderator. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

17-Feb-2021 18:25:48

17-Feb-2021 18:43:03