RuneScape Forum Archive | A block function?

2_Tron

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Analogy
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(Cambridge UK) = a comparison between things that have similar features, often used to help explain a principal or idea
(Cambridge American dictionary) = a comparison of the features or qualities of two different things to show their similarities

I'll be honest, this isn't getting me anywhere

... sorry.
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let me explain this ...

-Imagine somebody posted in my thread and I chose not to respond to that person.
-Now imagine somebody I blocked posting in my thread, I don't see it and thus don't respond

These are not identical, not even in the slightest parts they are identical.

-Imagine somebody posted in my thread and I chose not to respond to that person.

Going by this, to me, it means that I show to Jagex/JMods and The RuneScape Community that I will do the effort to not let things escalate beyond repair. That I do have the ability to give others the same space to come to an explanation free of disagreement/annoyances so that others may have their abilities to exchange their points of view with my opponent in a thread.

-Now imagine somebody I blocked posting in my thread, I don't see it and thus don't respond

Going by this, to me, it means that I put Jagex/JMods to work to create a complex 'hiding-tool' to make it able for others to hide whatever they wanna hide or I wanna hide myself. I do nothing for Jagex/JMods nor The RuneScape Community in terms of giving each other the same space and possibilities to come to a mutual agreement in terms of using space in a thread.

That's how I look at it, in terms of your idea, one where the efforts are with me, the other where Jagex/JMods have to do the effort but basically I won't do a thing or move an inch.

06-Jul-2021 20:44:59

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2012

Spearmint30

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2_Tron said :
In '
RuneScape
' The RuneScape Community is already behaving much as 'non-existing' being 'distrustful' about each other ignoring any other individual even when they speak up, even when JMods are present in an event, attitudes are hostile and treacherous.

Soo ... wanna see it here implemented? I guess not.

And what about Jagex/JMods, how do they have to make up something out of your thread or that of others. They have to go knitting in the evening, knitting together all these shredded forms of feedback to make something out of it before they can read the full extend of a thread.

It doesn't make sense at all.

Hey 2_Tron,

I don't quite understand what you mean about knitting together shredded feedback before reading the full extent of a thread. Just for some perspective here, I'm going to offer an example.

Let's say that, in this very thread, I decide that I'm going to ignore every one of your posts and just reply to everyone else as if you don't exist. There's nothing stopping me from doing that (except for the fact that I'm not rude, but again this is an example). That's all the ignore feature would do, as I've proposed it in this thread. It would just look I'm ignoring you and only you. Everyone else would be free to interact with you just as they would do if I applied self-control and ignored you without the feature.

In addition to that, in this very thread, it has been suggested to do that very thing - utilize self-control and just ignore posts as an argument against the ignore feature. If the post is going to be ignored anyway.... ..... see what I mean?

The arguments in this thread, both for and against an ignore feature, seem to hover around controlling others - if against, force them to use self-control without a convenience feature and if for, maybe (possibly) just block them from even posting. The arguments are on the extremes - where's the middle ground?

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06-Jul-2021 21:20:29

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Spearmint30

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Also, I see where some who are against are coming from - this is a discussion forum and to ignore users doesn't quite open up discussion. I get that you could miss valuable, relevant feedback from a user because you've ignored them because of maybe something that happened in the past, on another thread, or whatever.

There are certainly very valid pros and cons in this debate and there's a lot to consider.

Most of my arguments here are very much for having such a feature (I don't even know if I'd use it, but I favor the option for everyone), but my disputes are on how the feature would be executed. How is someone blocked/ignored, who can be blocked/ignored, etc, etc. There are, again, some valid pros and cons to the methods proposed here.

At the very least, this is an interesting topic to think about.

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06-Jul-2021 21:26:07

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Hmm

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10 pages in 2 days got my urge to interject going.

You can use adblockers to hide people pretty easily

And I can do it to JMods, FMods, trolls, myself... oh wait I already said trolls...

and so can you!

Both to their individual posts and also their entire threads (that's a bit further in the thread).

Or make it so that your enemies always speak in really tiny text that's always bold and replace their avatar with a picture of a trout. Remove the technical support forum from display entirely, or declare the entire RS forums an ad and block yourself accessing it to begin with.

If someone wants to steal the content of that thread and keep it going elsewhere, be my guest.

06-Jul-2021 21:38:53 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2021 21:54:24 by Hmm

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Abby Taylor

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@2_Tron

I think at this point I have adequately described how my two examples were analogous, and similar. If you choose not to understand or accept that then so be it, I cannot convince you further and I have no interest in talking about it for 3,000 posts. It's off topic semantics I recommend you also move on from it as well.

"giving each other the same space and possibilities to come to a mutual agreement in terms of using space in a thread."

Mutual agreement can

NEVER

be reached between certain people and you need to understand that.

We can discuss this for a million pots and never reach an agreement or compromise.
We can argue until we call names and hate each other.

People do not change.

Think about this very topic for a minute.

I want a block feature.

You do not want a block feature.

We have been discussing this for 10 pages and yet neither of us have changed our opinions.
The entire dialogue was useless because nobody changed their mind, and a J mod will probably never read it.

No good came from this kind of extended conflict.
I only think less of you for participating in text wall dialogues against my opinions.

A block feature would have ended this worthless conversation 6 pages ago...

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06-Jul-2021 22:14:54

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2012

Spearmint30

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@Hmm,

The way yours blocks posts is exactly how I envision such a feature would work - blocks the posts/threads for you, but anyone else can still see them. Again, perfect solution - this suggestion by the OP would just make the feature native, rather than relying on browser extensions.

In any case, thanks for bringing that up here as it offers immediate solutions for people wanting to do something like that now without waiting for development time for the forums on a project like this.

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06-Jul-2021 22:19:21

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2019

Abby Taylor

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@Spearmint30

I think you bring up a good point about control.

"The arguments in this thread, both for and against an ignore feature, seem to hover around controlling others - if against, force them to use self-control without a convenience feature and if for, maybe (possibly) just block them from even posting."

In the real world you're not obligated to put up with people who annoy and harass you.

Women who do not like how their boyfriend treats them are not forced to continue living with them, and listening to them.

There is nowhere in the real world, except authoritarian dictatorships where people are forced to listen to what others have to say.
Everyone can speak their mind, but nobody should be forced to put up with the conspiracy theories of a mad man, or the rhetoric of a bigot.

If somebody was outside my house every day telling me I'm stupid. Eventually this would lead to a physical confrontation, which is

NOT GOOD

.

There are a handful of people on these forums (not naming names) who have very high post counts and they get their rocks off on irritating people by putting down their suggestions and opinions, in a debatably constructive way.

sometimes an individual post is not offensive enough to warrant punishment, but a pattern of behavior can exist which is more negative than the sum of it's parts.

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06-Jul-2021 22:25:03 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2021 22:25:46 by Abby Taylor

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2012

Spearmint30

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Abby,

Yeah, I get it - I get the frustration. I get why an ignore function would be a good idea and that's why I would support one, for sure. I don't really think that just ignoring someone because they have different views is necessarily healthy, but I guess the option would be there if someone felt inclined to do that.

To me, disagreeing is fine. We don't have to think alike. I'm glad we don't, actually, as the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same things all the time. Having a debate is also fine, taking turns volleying points of view is just discussion and it's healthy. Being passionate about your point of view is also ok. The fine line hits when a participant in the discussion seems to think that only their way is right and has no intention of considering the other points of view. Notice, I said considering - it doesn't mean debate and argue the other person into submission to your view. It just means see their point, try to realize how they're thinking, share your views on that point and offer any counter points, and continue.

Once the discussion hits that point where both parties are just repeating themselves, it's no longer effective. If that continues and one or both parties don't step away for a second, it could go almost toxic by way of what I mentioned earlier... trying to argue each other into submission.

And then there's participants who really have nothing constructive to say and only want to differ from the popular opinion for... fun? IDK, in any event every user should be able to ignore someone if they really feel they need to and as long as they can do so in a way that doesn't affect anyone else (such as if it just quietly hides content of the ignored person from the ignoring person, similar to how

Hmm

's solution works) - then I'm all for it and can't see any reasons why not .

As you've said before for everyone, this is just a suggestion - doesn't mean it'll happen.

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06-Jul-2021 22:57:50

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2019

Abby Taylor

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@Spearmint30

I'm fine with disagreements, and I hope you don't think that I'm demanding that nobody ever disagree with me.

But there are lines that some people shouldn't cross, and disagreements that are pointless.

The problem with people on this forum is that they will just post endlessly for all time. They don't know when to stop, I mentioned before that Runescape attracts a really specific group of people who enjoy the repetition in it's gameplay.

I have just asked people to stop talking to me, and they ignore my request and continue making the same argument forever. it is tiresome and stupid.

Disagreements are not JUST disagreements.
People get hurt over conflicting opinions and ideas, the real world is a rough place, and a video game forum doesn't need to be.

If somebody disagreed with me on the topic of "Should Abby Taylor be stabbed in the face" then you could imagine that would never be a civil "debate"

To put it simply, I do not see any magical "value" in other peoples opinions.
Some people are just wrong about stuff.
If somebody says that 2+2=75 then there is no reason to listen to them or platform them, their post isn't worth anything because it's just incorrect.

I am willing to re-evaluate my opinions based on information presented to me.
But I would not have the opinions that I have currently, if I thought that they were wrong.
Nobody thinks they are wrong.

Who in the world has an opinion and thinks it's wrong? why have that opinion lmao.

There are over 7,500,000,000+ people on earth spouting their opinions. We literally cannot build a platform for all of them.
and some of them don't even deserve to have a platform at all.

I just can't be convinced that the opinions of trolls on a dying video game forum, are worth anything at all.
So I see no reason not to have a block function to remove them.

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07-Jul-2021 00:14:01 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2021 00:14:30 by Abby Taylor

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2012

Spearmint30

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Abby Taylor said :
I'm fine with disagreements, and I hope you don't think that I'm demanding that nobody ever disagree with me. No, I didn't think that at all - no worries there. Abby Taylor said :
But there are lines that some people shouldn't cross, and disagreements that are pointless. Yep, I can agree with you there. All I was saying is that a one-off incident wouldn't be something I'd necessarily think to ignore someone for (unless extreme, of course). People have bad days and might snip at you on this thread, but another day on another thread there'd be no issue. Abby Taylor said :
To put it simply, I do not see any magical "value" in other peoples opinions.
Some people are just wrong about stuff.
If somebody says that 2+2=75 then there is no reason to listen to them or platform them, their post isn't worth anything because it's just incorrect. I'd almost participate in a topic like that just because their argument to support that would likely be comical to me, but I understand why it would be frustrating to to others so - I get that. Abby Taylor said :
Nobody thinks they are wrong. I've been wrong more times than I can count. You can't learn from anything if you don't open your mind to your own mistakes. Abby Taylor said :
I just can't be convinced that the opinions of trolls on a dying video game forum, are worth anything at all.
So I see no reason not to have a block function to remove them. I agree with you, but I also believe one's trash is another's treasure. That's why I'd support a feature that allows you to ignore content you might view as trash, but that I could still view and get something of value from.

All I'm saying is that just because someone's opinion is of no value to you doesn't mean that it's of no value period and that's the only reason I don't support prohibiting posting if ignored.

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07-Jul-2021 00:32:41

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