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Meredith wtf

Meredith wtf

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Was Zeus said :
knilB said :
Meredith wtf said :
Because every other sport besides hockey shares its name with its ball, it was inevitable that the name of the sport received the name of the ball.

Golf?
Tennis?
Rugby?
Squash?
Badminton?
Golf balls were named after golf. Tennis balls were named after tennis. No one has ever played rugby in America. No one knows what the ball in squash is called but it's probably called a squash ball. Badminton isn't played with a ball.

10-Mar-2014 16:19:09

Meredith wtf

Meredith wtf

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Nyu said :
Why are Americans so picky? It seems whenever I see tourists they always ask for certain ingredients to be removed. Namely tomatos and onions. If so many people hate tomato and onions, why do American restraunts cook using them instead of adding them if requested? It seems it would be annoying to have every person ask for no tomato/onions.

I've noticed people from "the South" or the midwest seem to be far less picky. It's mostly Californians and East Coast people.
Idk I haven't noticed that (probably because I'm from the south)

Dg said :
Lmfao I hope I do, would make my day to see how the mad spoiled brats act.
I don't really see how someone who works for below minimum wage and is paid entirely on incentives is a spoiled brat

10-Mar-2014 16:21:31

Mej
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Mej

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Dg said :
These people accept jobs for the $3 an hour. That is what their labour is worth in a country absolutely brimming with unskilled labour and few suitable jobs. If their labour was actually worth more then the owner of the store would up prices in order to pay them that.


This attitude destroys the economy. When you have a large lower class that has to work three jobs to make ends meet (let's face it: when employers get to decide what 'labour is worth' they'll want to (and without a minimum wage they can) pay less than a dollar/hour) and a very small upper class that takes home all the money, you're left with a race to the bottom where everyone ends up losing. Yes, even the upper class, because when people can only afford their absolute essentials the economy grinds to a halt.

This and the appalling educational system is rapidly transforming the US to a third world country.

10-Mar-2014 22:29:58

Dg

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Meredith wtf said :
Dg said :
You don't see how people who chase someone out of the store because they didn't make an optional tip is spoiled?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

That's the scenario I was referring to when you replied to me earlier. Read your own thread thanks.

10-Mar-2014 23:27:38 - Last edited on 10-Mar-2014 23:41:17 by Dg

Dg

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Mej said :


This attitude destroys the economy. When you have a large lower class that has to work three jobs to make ends meet (let's face it: when employers get to decide what 'labour is worth' they'll want to (and without a minimum wage they can) pay less than a dollar/hour) and a very small upper class that takes home all the money, you're left with a race to the bottom where everyone ends up losing. Yes, even the upper class, because when people can only afford their absolute essentials the economy grinds to a halt.

This and the appalling educational system is rapidly transforming the US to a third world country.

Yeah you're right that the U.S is witnessing an ever widening gap in wealth, but this has nothing to do with tipping. Government and welfare programs were expanded to eliminate poverty in the U.S yet both have gotten far worse since. I'm not really going to get into the cause of this because it's obviously a very complex issue that neither of us can be definitely sure of.

Your point about education is entirely accurate and is in fact the reason why these people are worth such little pay. They go to school for 12+ years and leave, more often than not, with absolutely no worth while experience. Just because they've received a worthless education doesn't mean someone should pay them for more than they're worth.

If you actually want to see unskilled labour become more valuable in the United States then you need to remove free trade between the U.S.A and 3rd world countries so that they have something to contribute to the economy without being undercut. That obviously would not benefit developing countries who can't compete with the efficiency of developed nations and all the progress in places like China would become stagnant if not lost.

Fixing education to give people valuable skills is the best way to raise wages, as companies will pay them what they're worth, or risk losing them to competition.

10-Mar-2014 23:36:10 - Last edited on 10-Mar-2014 23:38:26 by Dg

Mej
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In the longterm the wealth differential between the first world and developing countries is going to level out. Wealth grows at the developing side faster than at ours, and wages will eventually follow.

As for increasing wages: enforce higher wages by raising minimum wage to a level sufficient to make ends meet.

What's happening now with working people needing welfare and food stamps to survive is perverting the job market. It allows companies to cut costs by having people do stuff for a low wage, rather than making their operation more efficient or automating the task. Having the government fill the gap between their wage and surviving is effectively a subsidy for businesses.

11-Mar-2014 00:05:30

Meredith wtf

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There is no correlation between income inequality and human development

It's also worth mentioning that there is a direct correlation between minimum wage and unemployment rate, and a high unemployment rate is a million times worse for a country than a low minimum wage.

11-Mar-2014 00:17:15

Mej
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Meredith wtf said :
It's also worth mentioning that there is a direct correlation between minimum wage and unemployment rate, and a high unemployment rate is a million times worse for a country than a low minimum wage.

Uuhhhmmm. Nope. https://www.google.nl/#q=correlation+between+minimum+wage+and+unemployment+rate

Increasing unemployment is inevitable because as technological progress continues jobs are automated faster than new ones are created (and they're increasingly higher level). And it's going faster and faster thanks to (among other things) Moore's law. It's not just unskilled labour by the way - office jobs are as much at risk.

That means we'll have to change our perception of labour, money and 'making/deserving money'. In the long (or short) run we're going to have to give everyone a basic income that they can supplement with a (parttime or fulltime) job if they so desire.

In addition to everyone having a livable income, it also has a number of feedback loops:

- If you're giving everyone free money anyways, you can do away with welfare, pensions, mortgage interest deduction, etc and the (very large and costly!) bureaucratic machinery that comes with them.
- Increased levels of education as people can afford to go to school, especially in poor communities.
- With ^ and less poverty there will be less crime (and those prisons cost a TON of money).
- You can remove minimum wage and because strictly you don't have to work labour will once again reach a decent equilibrium between what people find worth their time and what employers are willing to pay.
- It's actually worth your time to work rather than welfare (where I live, that's a 1% difference :O ).
- More money means more spending - economic growth.


Hell, you might even get it to break even without securing more government income (tax the rich!)

This has actually been tested - and it works.

11-Mar-2014 00:42:16 - Last edited on 11-Mar-2014 01:02:43 by Mej

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