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Yewnock said :
I haven't yet tried steel titan because some friends of mine said the steel titan often attacked minions instead of the boss

This is a problem at kree'arra I noticed, but I have fixed it by simply commanding it to attack the boss Just have the attack command on the action bar and click on boss.

I'll get back to answer more.

Edit: Adjusted effigy time saved with 130k rc exp p/h

28-May-2015 02:25:34 - Last edited on 28-May-2015 03:49:50 by Lifer

Yea, tbh, I think I was simply being somewhat lazy to go test it out heh . I'll give it a try eventually, and compare to the xp/h and kills/h with avatar to check which one is better.

Also, I need to leave now, so I'll most likely only answer again tomorrow after I return from uni, so sorry in advance for the delay.

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Wise Thoth

28-May-2015 03:03:53

28-May-2015 03:05:37 - Last edited on 28-May-2015 13:58:19 by Lifer

Firstly, yes, that is killing minions too, forgot to answer that last time .

The main problem of my calculations for now is that I completely ignored summoning (me being lazy again I need to stop this, lol). I planned on including it after I was done testing the tasks' xp rates and combat+effigies rates, but that took longer than I expected. However, it should be noted that your current calculations are based almost completely on melee xp preference, which might not be accurate with the "updated" melee xp rate from zammy (in fact, from the incomplete testings I have atm, computing the effigies time saved, arma is ~892k mage xp/h and zammy ~882k melee xp/h). And that's exactly why I took a break on slaying to test the combat xp rates: they directly affect how you calculate efficiency in slayer. If the difference between the rates is really that small, then maybe some tasks like glacors and muspahs which can only be maged but are very good xp might be higher on the list; which can solve the melee xp overkill (even though that is more efficiently solved by adding arma to prefer list), and make some changes on the summoning calculations. Plus, it makes other tasks (such as celestials or waterfiends) even better, since you do not need to use melee.

All in all, we will only conclude if the effigies make up for it once we update the slayer task list when considering the combat+effigy rate from gwd.

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Wise Thoth

29-May-2015 03:27:44

04-Jun-2015 18:55:58 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2015 13:08:27 by Renz

Renz said :
- Did you figure in the use of cannon at dark beasts and black demons? If not, why?

I didn't find cannon to be necessary largely because they don't give melee experience when they should be highly valued. Cannons are to be viewed as getting aggro. Slayer exp isn't the focus here. Additionally, the two npc's you've mentioned attacks from afar so it's a little moot, using barge ability is wonderful to get around

If you aren't melee, sure, use it.

Renz said :
- Why no love for shadow creatures (you didn't even test them)? Just because they have a 10 weighting?

I tested them, but didn't put them down because it's too variable. You can kill manifests faster than it could spawn so you'd end up killing other types of creatures hence where the variability comes from.

However, due to low combat exp and high slayer exp it offers, it isn't worth figuring the variability. Even though slayer exp is very high from them, gaining pure slayer exp isn't very efficient. A perfect ratio would be 2 melee exp for every 1 slayer exp i.e. 200m attack and str for 200m slayer. Defense would be trained in the abyss via magic.

Also, you'd want summoning to slayer ratio to be 1:1 or better if you train summon on dxpw.

I'd recommend doing shadow creatures only for the Penny pet.

As a final note on that topic, the spreadsheet only calls you to do only the 4 tasks that is on prefer list and cancel/block everything else for best efficiency. (It's still a work in progress.)

Renz said :
- What about the new ability?

It will definitely increase the kills per hour, I'll update the kills p/h when I get around to using it but you should know that Tuska's Wrath ability works on every slayer task so the outcome of each task is relative. I.e. there shouldn't be some task that suddenly becomes better than other tasks due to the new ability.

07-Jun-2015 18:14:43 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2015 18:20:44 by Lifer

07-Jun-2015 18:22:13