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Magma
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Magma

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Okay, I'll take it that your words were not deliberately meant to be mocking. But you are in a position of authority as a liason between your company and the community, and it's not right to be making such flippant comments about communities within your game, especially such a large community.
Case in point - This week, Business Secretary Vince Cable is in trouble for suggesting that the only difference between a dead banker and a dead cat on a motorway is that the skidmarks go around the cat. That sort of joke is fine for anyone to tell, as long as it's not in their interests to foster links in the banking community!
My thread has 675 posts discussing the penguin issue. Post 1 has a summary of our concerns and our percieved inconsistencies in the treatment of penguins compared to everything else (QFC 265-266-425-62216209). There are currently 1,618 total posts in the four threads I'm following on the topic. The only thread larger than this I can find in the Wilderness forum is about Extreme potions.
Please, if you could read the first post of my thread and comment on Jagex's position re our concerns listed there, it might help assuage any more ill feeling.
For such a large group of people voicing our concerns, there have been only 4 official comments on the situation, none of which help us understand WHY they are being left there.
Mod Hohbein - "We have not changed anything regarding the penguins or the shooting stars."
(Blanket statement, no justification)
Mod Kat - "Activities have been moved because they are self-contained, while D&Ds happen all over RuneScape and this won't change"
(Blanket statement, no detailed justification)
Mod Mark H - "So why don't these big groups of Penguin Hunters team up to protect each other from the "griefers"?"
(Ignores the issues being discussed)
Mod Kathy and Mod Timbo - "So this update is going to bring joy to a wide variety of players, not just PKers slaying helpless penguin hunters."
(Mocks the penguin community)
The Empty Lord is a figment of the imagination of gullible people who started worshipping the purple Elder Bathrobe. The name and symbol comes from the washing label: Za-ros means "Do not dry clean".

30-Jan-2011 15:10:00

Puddle Goose
Jan Member 2005

Puddle Goose

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I’m just 1 among thousands of the silent readers that reads Runescape Forums and happens to be apart small of Team Penguin Community. I agree with the people who are speaking on behalf of all or most penguin hunters, they are doing fantastic. Jagex you need to listen why they think you need to remove the wilderness penguins.
The penguins was no apart of the wilderness 3 years 1 month and 22 days ago. I do not wish to be apart of the wildy clans as you say they are going to be bigger and deadlier then ever. I did*’t survive in the old wildy when I needed to go get white berries.
Then your announcing to pkers, “not just PKers slaying helpless penguin hunters”
Did I just read that!!!. O_O. Don’t give pkers anymore ideas.
Why on earth would Jagex leave the wildy penguins in the wilderness?
Why does Jagex think leaving the 2 wildy penguins will be wonderful for any Community?
Susan
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Oh wow guys, it looks like my comment has been taken way, way way out of proportion.
It was a tongue in cheek comment with regards to penguins being left in the Wilderness. Not a monstrous attack on the Penguin community as a whole. If you look at my interactions with the Penguin, and D&D, community over the last 2 years then you will see that I'm very supportive where possible and I understand your frustrations at the decision.
If you think it was in poor taste, you're entitled to your opinion on what I have to say and I accept that. I can assure you, however, that it was not said as an attack.
If you want me to come and debate why I think some penguins have been left in the Wilderness then I will be happy to on either one of the Penguin threads in the D&D forum.
Timbo
Where can I find this debate at?

30-Jan-2011 17:58:38

Alaz

Alaz

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"Alaz said:
It really stifles Jagex's ability to be open to their community if that community is so analytical of every small aspect.
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Yes...they should be careful what they say and do.
Edit: Considerate is a good quality."
-- Quoted from Lori Doc, page 7
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If Jagex are careful in what they say and do, people complain that Jagex is not more open to the community. If Jagex are open and willing to banter playfully a little bit, people complain that Jagex is not considerate.
How is Jagex to be open to their community, something everyone claims to want them to do, if that community is not willing to compromise?

~ Alan

30-Jan-2011 19:23:59

Aldfrith
May Member 2007

Aldfrith

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While I understand what Alaz is saying and agree in principle, there is still such a thing as tact. Yes, it would be better if Jagex were more open to communities but, personally, I feel that answering questions as fully as possible is far more important. That is not to say that Jmods should be corporate machines and never use humour, rather they should be aware that some subjects of that humour are currently very sore points amongst their customers. A little sensitivity goes a long way.
Several people have put forward very well written reasons why the wildy penguins should be moved. I have not, simply because I can live with whatever decision is made even if I do not agree with it. As I see it, there are far more reasons to move those penguins than there are to justify leaving them but that is just my opinion.
The only real answer about leaving them that I have seen is the very brief one within the FAQ which seems to be a poor excuse. Maybe there are other considerations but that is where Jagex should be open and tell us what they are so that we can understand the decision.
Obviously Jagex can't answer every question on the forums however the popularity of the threads discussing it should have highlighted that a lot of people want answers.
The current situation is that Mod Timbo has now said that he will discuss it with the community. All I am saying is that spending that time a few days ago to have a similar conversation might have made fewer people feel ignored. "Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted" ;) .
Maybe if we knew Jmods understood our concerns we would have felt better. Even adding a smiley to the end of the comment to show that it was a cheeky joke rather than a taunt might have improved things. As it was, the lack of all those things made me feel like Jagex doesn't care and was mocking us.
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@Mod Timbo:
I agree that you have supported us in the past and I hoped that it was an ill-advised joke so thanks for confirming that.

30-Jan-2011 20:39:02

Dr Nick 51

Dr Nick 51

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Mod Timbo:
Thanks for the apology and clearing up any mis-understandings.
If you would be so kind to continue your talks of wilderness penguins, please comment on one of the many threads created:

Penguin Hunting, no change???--- By Magma
Quick find code: 265-266-425-62216209

Removal of Wildy Penguins--- By Dr Nick 51
Quick find code: 74-75-686-62221306

Rev's and wildy pengs together--- By Mom0007
Quick find code: 185-186-865-62188262

Pengs in Wild, this is not ok--- By Jonanananas
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Furious about Penguins---by Attic Yeti
Quick find code: 265-266-453-62216650

Thanks Jagex! Gf pengs + stars---by Lol Homework
Quick find code: 265-266-545-62219015

Compromise Thread:
Penguins wildy clues.--by Powotae
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Dr Nick :D

31-Jan-2011 00:07:07 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2011 00:21:43 by Dr Nick 51

Mod Paul M

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Hi guys,
Just thought I'd jump on to see how the newsletter feedback's going and whoah there, I see Timbo's put the cat among the penguins somewhat.
While I know that Tim didn't intend to wind up Penguin Hunters I can see he's certainly got some conversation going on the subject. I've tweaked his article a tiny bit to hopefully make sure his comments aren't misconstrued.
Misconstrued comments or not though,I totally get that if you're not into PKing but love hunting penguins, the new wilderness will throw up some additional challenges that you might not be into.
Mod Mark did confirm in the recent Q&A that penguin hunters will find hunting penguins in the wilderness more risky but we'll make sure that the feedback we've read and the thoughts put forward in this thread so far are taken into consideration.
So, with that in mind and out of respect for all the other newsletter contributors, let's hold any further discussion on the subject elsewhere so we don't hijack the newsletter. Fair enough? ;)
Paul M

31-Jan-2011 17:24:12 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2011 17:30:14 by Mod Paul M

Chives
Feb Member 2008

Chives

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Are you guys really ******* mad about having penguins in the wilderness? Carry nothing and I doubt you'll even get attacked by people as soon they'll realize you don't risk and will stop killing you. Use reverse psychology and then the occasional week with one or two penguins will hardly do crap.
There are obviously problems with any update/clan/anything, and you just found one of them out. Build a damn bridge and get over it.

31-Jan-2011 18:44:03

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