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Nuu Nuu

Nuu Nuu

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You totally want people to think your name is "touch my religion" or "touch my ethnicity" or "touch my famous soccer player". Not buying.
As for something on-topic: I voted no. I've posted different reasons in this massive thread somewhere, but another reason is that going backwards is never the way to go forwards

31-Dec-2010 10:33:30

[#81UH5HBDF]

[#81UH5HBDF]

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Personally iv, like many others been scammed by this free trade, but i strongly urge players to think about the positives over negatives, now you can transfer old account wealth, stake higher in duel arena and im sure Jagex will do a superb job on anti scamming methods in the new trading such as more continue tabs before completing a successful trade. these are premature suggestions but i hope it can be considered since i fully support the return of free trade and wilderness. Right on boys :P

31-Dec-2010 10:37:51

[#0AGREIFNJ]

[#0AGREIFNJ]

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Going backwards is the way to go forwards. In psychology it is called retrospection -the act or process or an instance of surveying the past. Going backwards CAN always be beneficial in some way to moving forward.
For example in Government, incumbents (previous senators or government officials who want to run for re-election), do they not go to backwards acts they committed (media displays, treaties, laws may have passed)? For an incumbent to win his election he must go back to the positive sides of the past and use that as his/her advantage to move on into the future. So not to dwell too much on how, this is the same terms for Runescape. Were going back to the good-TIMES and beneficial factors of the old wild, and that was everybody pking Freeely and happily, minus the idiots who get lured/scammed by Pkers. And free-trade, minus the asian lingxiao350 botters that can easily give us supplies, but the fact friends can help each other out using this free-trade!

31-Dec-2010 10:39:02

sword king

sword king

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wilderness comes back! that means fun, but it also means RWT, and their bots. this update could mean the end of runescape as we know it... again.
first of all: the wilderness itself. I will start with all the trouble it will give because of new things in the wilderness. nowadays, the wilderness is still an extremely dangerious area, but it gives great rewards to those to dare to enter it. the King Black Dragon, the Chaos Elemental, the mage area, the wilderness parcours and the beacon network are examples of things in a dangerious area that will reward greatly if you make it to them. off course, you said all these thing will be looked at case-to-case. so I will ignore that problem.
the PK. I don't have anything bad to say about bringing the old PK back, but as we all know (save some ideots) it brought great trouble with it. I am off course talking about Real World Trading.
the old wilderness and free trading were replaced with bounty hunter and fair trade (I always say fair trade instead of trade limits). bounty hunter was replaced with the current PvP. over the years, you did what you could to make it better, without getting the old problem back. and you did a fantastic job. friend trade became more generous, up for 4 times your limit. new rarities made PvP more rewarding. as the time passed, you came closer and closer to the old situation, without getting the old problems back.
over the years, with all the updates, the fair trade and the PvP world remained your unstoppable force against Real Word Trading. off course, they found ways to dodge it. Real Word Trading will always exist. but what will happen when you tear down your main lines of defense?
players ranted, yelled, screamed about your decisions. but you held firm, because you knew what had happened and wanted to avoid that happening again. but now, thing change. off course, change can be good. you proved that dozens of times with your updates. but I urge you, JAGEX, do you want those problems back?

31-Dec-2010 10:40:24

Zurkcez

Zurkcez

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I created my account when the wilderness already was closed, so I want try it.
Its good to know that I wont get PK'ed while doing my clue scroll.
I'm not a skiller, but I hate the existing PvP worlds.
Im more excited about free trade. I think I could take my 1m gp from my noob player!
All activities will be relocated, but where?
All willderness re-opening will be like 1-4 years later so there left plenty of time to enjoy normal runescape without willderness.
I wish is here would be possibility to have a some kind of demo of wilderness like second runescape.

31-Dec-2010 10:44:29

sword king

sword king

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consider what COULD happen. this is a great risk you are taking. some scenarios:
-RuneScape will get better!
yeah, always an option. in my eyes unlikely, but never excluded.
-RWT will increase.
in this scenario the following will happen:
1. RWT sellers plant bots. then, they pump the obtting money in sell account. some of their bots get banned, but their selling accounts pile up money.
bad effect:
-more botting.
-prices of raws get down, due to increase of botting. this, and this in important, makes that legit players make less money.
2. advertising accounts offer RWT to players. those, too, get banned, but reach many people, like the current advertisers for merchclan, but worse.
bad effects:
-more spamming.
-more RWT
3. RWT clients (which will always be there) buy the money from the sell accounts. next, they get millions of gp. a few get bannned, but it's hard, as you know, to make the difference between RWT and a quitting player giving money to his still playign friend.
now, here it gets complicated. due to the increase of bots, the money making methods get less money-making, as they are botted. you notice it now on a smaller scale. so, legit players get it harder to make money.
RWT clients get richer, as they buy money.
these 2 mean that RWT clients get rich, while legit players get it harder to make money. who will be the remaining to buy expensieve items? yep, the RWT clients.
as bottign increases, legit players will have a hard time to get their fair millions. so what will happen? they either buy their millions and become RWT clients, or quit the game. remaining: RWT clients who are rich, some struggling fair players, and bots who collect materials.
bad effect:
-didn't I explain enough?
these are 2 scenarios. and don't forget problem like scamming and such. those are well-known and are not the main problem, so I will not discuss them. a bit you own fault, really.
JAGEX, do you believe you are strong enough to fight scenario 2? if yes, go for it.

31-Dec-2010 10:51:23

[#JAPC7YBUN]

[#JAPC7YBUN]

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I'm going to keep this short and sweet.
On wildy:
Is there a need for jagex to be responsible for the loss of a player's game property? A game's a game. Let's not relate it to society. The use of any particular society's laws is not appropriate.
For the past 2 years I have left rs, I've been playing ( and studying at the same time :P ) more than just a handful of very established MMORPGs. Tell me. Which MMORPG makes itself responsible for a player losing his item?
Must jagex refund a player if he, on accident, high alch's his partyhat? Or whip? Or dragon platebody? No.
Similarly. I don't see a need for jagex to be overly concerned over a player's loss of property in the wildy. The wilderness is there for a reason.
Amongst that many MMORPGs, Runescape is the few, if not only game that warns its players repeatedly of the possible loss of property in the wilderness or PVP areas. That itself is being responsible - and much more than necessary.
I am not an avid PVPer. I don't PVP much in other MMORPGS as well. I am but disgusted by the whinings of players who lose in wildy. For now let's just refer to them as "losers".
That being the basis of my argument, why must players bicker over the incidences of luring, fast advertising, bullying, or team ganging on a poor soul in the wildy? The wildy is there for a reason - to spice up playing experiences. It rewards, it punishes the weak. In fact there shouldn't be that many level restrictions either.
Jagex has been pampering and protecting gamers with its restrictions on PVP. On the forums of other games, there's not much voicing of unsatisfcation over PVP. They accept it.
High levels slaughtering low levels? That should spur you on to train, to grind, to level up your combat level.
A nasty team jumps you as you try to sneak past them in wildy alone? What of it? In the other MMORPGs, that spells WAR. Tons of 'brothers' would tele right there to revenge my death.
Losing my full bandos in PVP? Jagex warned you

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