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Real Poop

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Hate to out do a ninja monkey but playing since before the Runescape2 update (around 8 years) this is something to vote yes about. Most of the complaints have been saying either wilderness activitys would become more difficult or people will get scammed by getting killed in the wildy.
First Wildy activities (mainly clue scrolls): Clue scrolls have been around for ever and often they have taken me into the wildy. Ive been there during the golden pvp days and really if your not dumb its pretty easy to avoid getting killed. You can do one of the following.
Go to a trade world. Everyone is so busy sellin stuff they wont go to bother some people trying to clue.
Dont go to notorius pvp world (like world 18). Most people wont be just floating around unless they are butt heads which are more uncommon then one would think.
Or come prepared. If your expecting a fight bring food tele runes and good armour/weapons. Dont just complain, actively help yourself.
Second getting "Scammed" in the wildy. There is a HUGE difference from getting scammed to getting killed. Assuming this vote passes getting killed in the wildy will be a common act. Being scammed in the wilderness will be different. A scam is a guy going around claiming to trim armour. A kill is someone being a jerk but not a cheater. Jerks are annoying but no excuse to ruin the fun of tons of pvpers.
Finnaly its just a game. Calm down everybody. Whats the worst that could happen you lose you expensive armour. The arent real. If you care that much about a dragon plateskirt theres an issue in your noggin. Worst case scenario you spend a day or two making the money back for your item. Just relax and enjoy the game.
VOTE YES EVERYONE =O

29-Dec-2010 02:28:12

Deathwyrm

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Give player moderators more powers to deal with macroers in games. I do not want to see macroers in their legions swarming resources again.
If not, and they still go ahead with the results of the poll, the next poll might be as well be "Should Jagex give everyone 100billion gp?".

29-Dec-2010 02:36:09

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Real Poop

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@Deathwyrm
Macroers are totally irrelevent in this topic. Macroers are still alive and well and probably stronger do to the GE. The removeal of challenge and freedom from the game didnt solve macros and putting it back wont. Your absoulutely right about adding more mods. However the wildy and free trade should also come back, its a game and anything that makes the game more fun WITHIN REASON should be instated. The difference between bringing the original form of the game back and giving all players 100bil is that the game ha functioned succesfully before under the old system. Giving everyone 100bil is something unheard of so wouldnt be brought to poll let alone referendum. Dont make a comparison that doesnt make scence.
VOTE YES EVERYONE

29-Dec-2010 02:44:00

Deathwyrm

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@poop
You should have seen the great reduction of the macroers in this game when this trade restriction have been put in place. If you havent, you did not play long enough to comment on my post about the macroers.
And regarding the 100billion gp, it is just a hypothetical scenario, Jagex is never going to give everyone 100 billion gp. I am sorry if I mislead anyone, but what I am trying to illustrate is that, not that every poll that the majority say "Yes" to should be implemented / or good to this game. There are tonnes of other things to consider.
There are still many things to tweak about if they are going to bring back the free trade system and I am fine with free trade. I also have many other friends who needs items for their training and I am limited to how much I can give them - 40k gp, which is nothing when you talk about crafting training for example.

29-Dec-2010 03:14:43

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@Deathwyrm
I completely see your point on all of the topics we have discussed. However I still disagree. Yes there are several problems with the game such as macros and scams but the solution is not to slowly dismantle the game. It is effort against the actual offenders not things that offenders can exploit.
Also about the comparison you made to 100bil. I see the point you were trying to make however the reason this particular poll is so significant is because the wilderness has been a long battle that has been kept silent by Jagex by hindering disscusion sbout it on the forums. When they decided they would bring it up again and see if people still cared obviously they did. That is why this referendum has been called.
Also its been fun having this discussion with you =)
VOTE YES EVERYBODY =O

29-Dec-2010 03:27:20

Phthartic

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First, the "well informed" remark was ironic, implying that someone who calls them Jadex is not really into deep policy question thinking, but since he's so polite, now I feel guilty for being a bit petty.
As to the claim that macroers (I assume "botter" would be synonymous) have no relevance to the subject at hand: TBH, it's hard to take anything else a person that would make such a claim says seriously.
How many times on this thread have people said "Botters have always been here; they always will, so they're irrelevant."
Can we just settle this once and for all? (no, of course not; but lets make the attempt...)
In real life:
Criminals have always existed so why not do something that UNQUESTIONABLY provides incentive to commit crime? Police and politicians always claim they're going to increase enforcement, so why not make everyone do business in cash, so we'll all have lots of cash on us when we go walking around at night? Why not build a halfway house for *** offenders next to an elementary school? Lets encourage bunko artists to go into elder financial counselling when they get out of jail.
Now would you supporters PLEASE give this specious argument a rest?

29-Dec-2010 03:39:00

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Yum Salt

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I would prefer to only see the old wildy brought back and no free trade.
Idea:
Perhaps a "win win" situation would be to make this change with the old wildy and free trade. Like how Jagex were going to make rsc private servers, where you would have been able to cheat.
So no/lessens incentive to cheat as they can't transfer items to their rs2 account.
With your account there being separate from your rs2 and rsc account, and there isn't any cheating allowed.
I would be satisfied with bringing back the old wildy and free trade, only under the circumstances of my idea above.
Poll:
Some players may only not want both the old wildy and free trade. But only the old wildy/free trade and there should be a 3rd poll to rectify this issue - phase 3.
Also players who played pre 2007 have experienced both the old and new wildy, and free trade and no free trade. So those votes should carry the most weight in making a decision on this matter.
Only letting the pre 2007 players vote in a another poll - phase 3, or having an option of the votes being filtered in the phase 2 poll to show the spread of votes. In addition, that only the pre 2007 votes are considered in making the decision or bear more weight as I said earlier.
I'd welcome a phase 3 or higher vote on my issue on the poll I have outlined. We don't want to rush something that will have a massive impact on the game, if it was based on the spirit of the moment.

Hopefully Jagex consider my post.

My 2 cents

~ 2 Cool
Edit: Grammar ^_^

Edit 1:
I made a suggestions thread on this topic too, but it got eaten by the pg 50 chewy monster

It was based on an alternative to free trade and the old wildy.

29-Dec-2010 04:45:45 - Last edited on 05-Jan-2011 00:24:31 by Yum Salt

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Real Poop

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@Phthartic <-------sorry for repeated @s

Runescape is in no way a model of the real world therefore by suggesting that bots are criminals. Bots are an annoyance, crimminals are a danger. Therefore bots should be delt with by Jagex and criminals treated more seriously. However I do see your point about the argument of igsignificants of bots being over used. That is why my primary point on this topic is the fact that offenders such as bots and scammers arent the people who ligitamitly want to PvP and Free Trade, therefore those of us who want to PvP and Free Trade shouldnt be victims of the measures used to stop those bots and scammers.
VOTE YES EVERYONE =O

29-Dec-2010 04:50:04 - Last edited on 29-Dec-2010 04:51:12 by Real Poop

Phthartic

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Botters are the closest thing to criminals in the virtual world that RS is. Unless you count people who want to kill unwilling players...
But the point is really not to say botters are criminals. It is just that to say an undesirable phenomenon has always existed doesn't mean it's fine to encourage MORE of that phenomenon. There is no logic in that.
I absolutely won't argue with the idea that bots SHOULD be dealt with by Jagex. They SHOULDN'T determine what legitimate players are allowed to do. The problem is Jagex ISN'T dealing with it effectively. Until they DO there is no reason to vote to encourage more bots. The simple answer is for Jagex to implement their new "system" and SHOW us they can eliminate most of the bot problem THEN we can talk about removing trade restrictions.

29-Dec-2010 05:04:47 - Last edited on 29-Dec-2010 05:14:54 by Phthartic

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Real Poop

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I understand that but players who want to enjoy a game with risk and freedom shouldnt be punished because of what you call criminals. Although they are undisirable doesnt mean such action need to be taken. They are the closest thing we have to criminals however that does not make them criminals. A lamp is the closest thing to a sun in my room but that doesnt mean I have to put on sun tan lotion when I walk in. We should hinder the bot problem but not with such unneccacery messures.
VOTE YES EVERYONE =O

29-Dec-2010 05:13:33 - Last edited on 29-Dec-2010 05:14:45 by Real Poop

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