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Osborne1992

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Buzz2Beee2 said :
It may get into the top but I am sure that it will be re-examined before any announcements are made regarding who has won.

From what I can tell of the top 5 from reading replies, as long as you get voted in, you're in.
Hopefully the 2 videos with a duplicate each don't all get in! Otherwise there'd just be one spot left! XD

24-Jul-2014 19:26:27

the Quackers

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Mod Jd said :

Hey guys - the Range PKing video I thought I'd blocked anyway - it has now been done.

The Jarkur video is more difficult - it is 1:03, but there are 4/5 seconds of black at the end of the video and there are 4/5 seconds of credits. Because I don't believe people should be punished for accrediting people within the video, and because the actual content of the video is 42/43 seconds, I decided to allow it to enter.

If you hear the justification for me allowing it, does that change your opinion? If there are still dissenting voices, I will contact the video maker and ask them to re-enter it without the black screen at the end or the credits (with the time lost for votes as a penalty). Does that sound fair?

I believe Jarkur should not be penalized. It was proper for him to credit each and every player that helped, seeing as a lot of players helped him it's only fair.

25-Jul-2014 02:31:30

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ClarityHeart

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the Quackers said :
Mod Jd said :

Hey guys - the Range PKing video I thought I'd blocked anyway - it has now been done.

The Jarkur video is more difficult - it is 1:03, but there are 4/5 seconds of black at the end of the video and there are 4/5 seconds of credits. Because I don't believe people should be punished for accrediting people within the video, and because the actual content of the video is 42/43 seconds, I decided to allow it to enter.

If you hear the justification for me allowing it, does that change your opinion? If there are still dissenting voices, I will contact the video maker and ask them to re-enter it without the black screen at the end or the credits (with the time lost for votes as a penalty). Does that sound fair?

I believe Jarkur should not be penalized. It was proper for him to credit each and every player that helped, seeing as a lot of players helped him it's only fair.

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25-Jul-2014 02:34:14

Osborne1992

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There's nothing TO penalize really... first 5 seconds are The RuneScape title, sure other submissions incoporated it as part of their 45 seconds but that was their choice. None of my submissions had it, I thought it unnecessary.
So 45 seconds is content, the following 10 seconds are credits and a "#wishyouwereinrunescape" which shouldn't be there but meh.
Final 3 seconds is black.
Nothing bad about it when you look at it.

the Quackers said :

I believe Jarkur should not be penalized. It was proper for him to credit each and every player that helped, seeing as a lot of players helped him it's only fair.

I don't think the issue was to do with crediting helpers. Granted that could have just been done in the description anyway. But with so many, I guess it's more personal to put it in the video itself.
Anyhoo, the issue was just that the video went over the maximum 45 + 10 seconds. But like I said above, discount the 3 seconds of black at the end and the 5 second RuneScape intro. It's a rule abiding video.

25-Jul-2014 04:09:15

Osborne1992

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A thought occurs to me...
Yes... I've been thinking. Everyone panic.

In regards to the categories for the golden gnomes. I believe it was said around page 5 or 6 that they would be a thing still as before?
Well the thought that came to mind was, are you looking at ALL entries for the categories? Or is the sole purpose of the top 5, to have them split into the categories...
That'd be a very silly system but never the less, I had to ask.
Because to me, either this top 5 is to choose the best all round video (of course, I and many others have voiced our disappointment about how this turns it into a popularity contest to make it to the top 5. Effectively halting the "little guys" chances from the get go), or to put people in the brackets for the categories, whatever they may be. And if THAT is the case, then balls... Why bother if you have no fanbase **

25-Jul-2014 04:26:52

[#T577YPQO8]

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the Quackers said :
Mod Jd said :

Hey guys - the Range PKing video I thought I'd blocked anyway - it has now been done.

The Jarkur video is more difficult - it is 1:03, but there are 4/5 seconds of black at the end of the video and there are 4/5 seconds of credits. Because I don't believe people should be punished for accrediting people within the video, and because the actual content of the video is 42/43 seconds, I decided to allow it to enter.

If you hear the justification for me allowing it, does that change your opinion? If there are still dissenting voices, I will contact the video maker and ask them to re-enter it without the black screen at the end or the credits (with the time lost for votes as a penalty). Does that sound fair?

I believe Jarkur should not be penalized. It was proper for him to credit each and every player that helped, seeing as a lot of players helped him it's only fair.

Kufr, you were in the video! You are in the credits, so you may be slightly biased! And so are you, MikePokemon9!

Anyway, these are the facts. They are all documented in this FAQ and in the gallery.

FACT - the video broke the rules and cheated by exceeding the 45+10 seconds

FACT - Mod JD said videos which broke the rules/timing would not be in the gallery

FACT - Rules clearly state up to 10 seconds are allowed for the #wishyouwereinrunescape only. Not for Runescape Intro's, giving credit, fading out the scene, etc. If you choose in include intros/credit's etc. then you are making a conscious choice to include that as part of your content

In all probability the voting has been influenced. Making an exception for one video is a mockery of the contest and the hard work people have put in to follow the rules. No one can argue the Jarkur video did not break the rules.

Mod JD - Why are we even having this discussion? Per the rules, please just remove the video that has cheated

25-Jul-2014 04:47:43

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Pdx

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the Quackers said :
Mod Jd said :

Hey guys - the Range PKing video I thought I'd blocked anyway - it has now been done.

The Jarkur video is more difficult - it is 1:03, but there are 4/5 seconds of black at the end of the video and there are 4/5 seconds of credits. Because I don't believe people should be punished for accrediting people within the video, and because the actual content of the video is 42/43 seconds, I decided to allow it to enter.

If you hear the justification for me allowing it, does that change your opinion? If there are still dissenting voices, I will contact the video maker and ask them to re-enter it without the black screen at the end or the credits (with the time lost for votes as a penalty). Does that sound fair?

I believe Jarkur should not be penalized. It was proper for him to credit each and every player that helped, seeing as a lot of players helped him it's only fair.

Support

25-Jul-2014 06:06:34

[#T577YPQO8]

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Pdx said :

Support

Er.... You were also credited in the video!!

25-Jul-2014 07:19:16

MoonSparkles

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No one is questioning if the video is well done, cause it's brilliant as many of them were!

It's boils down to whether it followed the rules or not. Opinions are not the same as rules. Let's keep it simple and see if it broke them or not.

Mod Jd said :

*Note - videos must be under 45 seconds to be considered. However, that 45 seconds counts for actual content, so if you'd like to put in an introduction/end graphic to display the '#WishYouWereInRuneScape' tag, we'll allow that to be up to 10 seconds of extra footage, as this is not technically part of the video.

So according to this, anything outside of the 10 second allowance for the #wishyouwereinrunescape would be considered content. So adding credits and runescape intro would be considered part of the content regardless if you think it counts or not as that is a matter of opinion not rule.

In my opinion, the credits count as content. In your opinion Mod JD, they do not. But like I said opinions are not rules. The rules above consider the credits in the video to be apart of the content bringing them way above the 45 second allowance. Let's not forget that runescape intro they have as well. We cannot just pretend parts of a video doesn't exist.

Just a point of reference (as an example since the credits have come in question), when you rent a movie and you look at the length time in minutes, it always includes the introductions and credits.

The video in question is clearly in violation unfortunately and should be removed. Everyone was given the same rules, same time to complete their videos and was able to abide by them. We cannot pick and choose which 'content' is allowed by opinion after the competition has started.

25-Jul-2014 07:57:48 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2014 09:31:56 by MoonSparkles

Andrew Co7

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Jarkur's video should be removed (at LEAST re-entered). The maximum rule allowed was 45 + 10 seconds = 55 seconds.

It wasn't just a fractional time over the limit, it was a whole extra 8 seconds extra (1minute, 03seconds). Even if he had black screened, he should have cut it out in a responsible manner to qualify. He should have followed the rules and credited people in the description of the video. If he got T5 with rule-breaking, that would be very unfair to others whom did follow the rules and would have loved an extra 8 seconds in their video. I only could assume other entries sacrificed a few shots to get under 45/55 seconds, so please take this into consideration for all entrants whom followed guidelines.

If he re-entered, he would be given special privileges/treatment over others. Sure he would have a penalty, and I do not personally mind him re-entering (with penalties) at all, but this can upset some other people.

25-Jul-2014 08:47:41 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2014 08:53:16 by Andrew Co7

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