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DontdotheDew

DontdotheDew

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*Lost in memory for a moment* Ah, the community reception of SoF. So wonderfully terrible. Rage flowing across the forums, people arguing in game (hell, we had to basically ban the topic in my clan chat), the community up in arms like I hadn't seen since the Forum Reshuffle fiasco. Many discussions to be had, though disappointingly few were at all constructive. But still, it was fun to watch; the sheer vitality of the response was amazing.
In the months since..It seemed like much of the community was angry. Perhaps not in that energetic sense as was seen in the initial response, but in a dull, unreasoning manner that made them lash out at anything presented to them by Jagex. Future update news was greeted with snide comments about how we'd probably have to buy it, little discussion of new updates occurred, people were more apt to flame than to discuss something rationally. I'll admit, I loved it. I don't even know why; I'd guess that the forums I frequented had just become so chaotic and directionless that they became endlessly interesting.
Then, the same thing as always happened. Without much action from Jagex for a long time other than adding new promotions (not counting MMG's first response, which more or less avoided the hot-topic of buyable spins), people just gave up. They left the forums, just as unsatisfied as before, but without any will to keep posting.
And then these Q&As. I'm not sure what they'll do. The answers provided haven't changed anything for me personally. I dislike SoF because it sells advancement in game; because it breaks what I always held as a central value of this game, that everything you had could be and had to be earned through in game effort. That's all there is to it, and nothing said in these QAs changed that. Solomon's I don't care about in the slightest (aside from the customization issue that I mentioned earlier). But the SoF, whatever the reasoning for its implementation, I cannot agree with in its current state.

15-Sep-2012 03:07:05

Mod Sabre

Mod Sabre

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Ecologic - Thank you very much for bringing that to my attention! :) There was a slight mix-up, see my post on the thread for details.
Air Yoshi - But we are nightshift! :) Daytime is for sleeping and avoiding that nasty glowing ball in the sky!
DontdotheDew - Another really well written post there, It's the kind of feedback I genuinely enjoy reading. I can understand your concerns, and I have given my own opinion on the SoF on this thread already. I just can't seem to get mad about something that doesn't affect my own character. If you got a level by training and another person gets it through xp lamps, it shouldn't make you feel any less proud of your own work to achieve it!
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15-Sep-2012 03:09:37 - Last edited on 15-Sep-2012 03:13:59 by Mod Sabre

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15-Sep-2012 03:12:54

Cake Thief

Cake Thief

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Just as with the return of Free Trade, people were either excited or dreading it. I voted against the referendum but now I regret my decision (despite it having no impact anyway :P )
I guess it was just the rapid change and the lack of communication on both sides that caused people to get frustrated and in some cases angry about the inclusion of micro-transactions in Runescape. Naturally people have good reasons to be annoyed too though, for example with exp lamps, tradeable items and powerful items being included in the Squeal of Fortune.
It's caused much friction and distrust but I think we're on the path of redemption now thanks to all the communication we're getting now and I can see people learning to adapt to the update and I can see the rants decreasing in quantity pretty soon. Mind, some people rant for the sake of ranting :P
We as players depend as much on Jagex and specifically the Community Management team to help us enjoy our experience here. I agree that people gave up when there was a lack of communication on their behalf .Though to be fair it'd be hard to talk sensibly to people bent on ranting :L
This is progress, people will see that the future isn't as dark as they thought it was. To tell the truth I'm really rather optimistic :)
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15-Sep-2012 03:16:19

Gwendolyn
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Gwendolyn

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@ Mod Sabre
You're completely right! And i'm stuck with that big glowing ball over my head 5/7 because of school...
My eyes are permanently 1/2 closed when i'm outside... (it's true, i never had my eyes fully open in mid-day.)
I can't take the glowingness of the glowing ball.
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15-Sep-2012 03:20:50

Nabu Rimanni

Nabu Rimanni

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"a weekend release to the SOF was added, so that players could use $20 to purchase 75 spins" etc. etc.
Reply: "Once again, players were not able to buy 20-30 xp lamps, the amulet, or coins, they were buying spins on the wheel and had a chance to win those items."

Buying spins that give in-game benefits or buying them outright have the same effect: paying money to get in-game benefits. Making it a grab bag and throwing randomness don't change the basic principle: paying money to get in-game benefits.
That is precisely the principle of pay-to-win games: paying money to get in-game benefits.

15-Sep-2012 03:21:32

Nabu Rimanni

Nabu Rimanni

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Mod Sabre, you're using the same logic that MMG used, namely, selling little cheats is okay. No, it's not.
Paying a policeman a small bribe to lower your speeding fine is wrong. Selling little cheats is wrong.
Jagex can use MTX to make money without selling spins that give in-game benefits. It's not the MTX that are the problem, it's what's being bought with MTX.
(I had to look up MTX to find out it's Jagex's abbreviation for microtransactions. I then checked the definition of microtransactions, and that's not actually what these are. To be a microtransaction, it's supposed to be less than the smallest transaction that credit cards allow, $5. These aren't microtranactions.)

15-Sep-2012 03:33:59 - Last edited on 15-Sep-2012 03:34:38 by Nabu Rimanni

Morex
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Morex

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I think they mean the term in substance of they make more money from membership payments than they do from the few people that spend money on these things i.e. SoF spins and SGS purchases. Considering how many people I personally know and have met that have multiple members accounts and people that don't even play anymore but still keep up membership just in case. I personally am a couple months short of 10 year cape so have gotten bored with a lot of Runescape but am still a member cause my fiance likes the game so we play together.

15-Sep-2012 03:43:27

Shogo Yahagi
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Shogo Yahagi

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"Once again, players were not able to buy 20-30 xp lamps, the amulet, or coins, they were buying spins on the wheel and had a chance to win those items. I know from the drop rates that your estimates are slightly off there in terms of what could be won from 75 spins. It could happen (probability being what it is), but you would be an awfully lucky young man. "
Oh? And what would you say the odds were of getting the 5 mil and all of those free high alchs if you *didn't* buy spins? And then explain again, if you would, how you weren't selling gold.
And while you're at it, perhaps you could explain how all those spins that people *bought* didn't affect the economy, but giving me the spins that I *earned* for completing quests would totally destroy the economy.
Honestly, can you blame players for not believing a word that Jagex says anymore?

15-Sep-2012 04:14:00

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