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Har Sicarius

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DMMetalaane said :
In the words of the Doctor...

"How much blood will spill until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning -- sit down and talk!?"

DMMetalaane said :


How much blood will spill

Not enough. We come here with no peaceful intent, but ready for battle, determined to avenge our wrongs and set our country free.

20-Apr-2016 22:11:05

Sand Traven

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poop in pant said :

Maybe what I'm saying isn't entirely relevant to this discussion, but w/e

It's certainly relevant to what the discussion has become. Ideas of opening up public RP to a law of the jungle approach to invasions have been tried before; they were the default setting on 42 before the idea of warnings arose of necessity. In fact, any attempt to open things up at all run into the problem of the possibility that at least one party in any invasion won't enjoy it. One man's trash is another's treasure, and one man's cash buys another's pleasure.
So I'll rob from the cradle, and I'll rob from the grave; it's just human traffic, and I'm just a slave.

20-Apr-2016 22:21:54

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I believe that if a group wants to own land, it should defend it.

There's a big difference between owning and using land, though. The group might not want to get involved with a war like James said, so they can choose not to participate and continue RPing in wherever they are. However, I don't see why they need to claim ownership in this case if they're not even going to defend the land.

They should carry on using the land for their RP, but without actually owning it.
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20-Apr-2016 22:24:24

Sand Traven

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Aesassin said :
Melkarth said :
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An important distinction, I feel.

I think he's right.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Ensuring that the holding of land is accompanied with the understanding that you'll have to fight to defend it is probably the fairest approach.

But this is, in itself, a tragedy and an admission that we suck. I don't like to cast generalisations, much less ones that criticise roleplay ability, but the best fighters - or those with the ability to draw the best fighters to them - are rarely the most suited to leadership of any sort, much less the leadership of POKs. Creativity in combat is no guarantee of creativity in plots, and good fighters are rarely the sort able to endear themselves to the server's best GMs. The Venn diagram for such individuals would have a very small sweet-spot, and I can't think of anyone who'd fit into it.

So yes, unfortunately, I do have to agree that POK rulers must understand - and accept - the fact they must face legitimate challenges. But I do think roleplay in general will suffer for it. One man's trash is another's treasure, and one man's cash buys another's pleasure.
So I'll rob from the cradle, and I'll rob from the grave; it's just human traffic, and I'm just a slave.

20-Apr-2016 22:46:34

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In response, at another rally of his forces, Antiking Alexander II speaks!

So it has come to my attention that Vectis II, King jure uxoris of Kandarin, has spoken at the gatehouse of Castle Ardougne in condemnation of our cause, the cause of liberty, the cause of freedom, and focused all his bile and his hatred upon my person. Perhaps he has already conceded that he cannot argue against the will of the people, perhaps he merely wishes to try to debase me in your eyes, but make no mistake, this is not a fight for me, it is a fight for you! You, the common man of Ardougne who has been subjected both to the jackboot of the armsman and the sticky fingers of the taxman alike! You, who hold the keys to Ardougne’s destiny!

He spoke of my grandfather, of Alexander the Wise, and used the tragic attempt he made on his own life as some sort of justification against me. My grandfather was fettered by an melancholic nature, I am not so, and even then, in his attempted suicide, he took his life in the knowledge and wisdom that Silva would make a fine King, and a fine King Silva did prove to be. Let us not toy with this brazen and irrelevant ad hominem against an accomplished King any further.

So laughable too, that he conveyed his belief that it is the Vekon throne which feeds you. You are fed by your own labours, your own hard work, and to try to make you out as dependants, as children, can only be considered a slight upon the great and industrious people of Ardougne. To try to make out that this ramshackle union in Kandarin has brought anything but expense and the extension of tyrannical devices upon you is a proposition so ludicrous that it almosts makes me laugh until I am rendered to tears by the horror of it. No longer should you be paying for these overextended armies, no longer should you be paying to maintain this false empire. Gold belongs in the pocket of those who have earned it, not hoarded in the pockets of the sovereign. -- Tom ~ Player of Oliver II, King of Kandarin, Prince of Albamonte, Prince of Camelot, Keeper of the Legacy of Baxtorian and Vanguard of Armadyl.

20-Apr-2016 22:53:00

Palpatom

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-- Taxation serves for useful services, and the maintenance of the function of the state, not for the militarist wet dreams of a disappointed idealist. He claims for himself your glory, your achievement, and for this plagiarism, noble Ardougnians, boldly roar!

And yet, the bitter accusations go on! He criticises me for my Asgarnian birth, such good fun indeed! King Silva was an elf, as was Alexander! Oliver was of Misthalite birth, as was his successor Vectis! Are we to dismiss all these Kings, all these accomplished leaders, for their foreign birth? Are we to destroy the legendary acceptance and tolerance of Ardougne of all peoples just as an act of convenience? It seems to me that King Vectis II would tear apart your society, tear neighbour from neighbour, just to keep his clutches on his crown. Tell me now who is the one threatening Ardougne’s place in the world, when he uses such rhetoric to inspire hatred towards our own brethren and sistren!

Though, most amusingly of all, it seems that King Vectis II would accuse me of being absent and indolent towards Kandarin in their times of need, in their periods of suffering. He speaks of when the pest overran Witchaven, and where I was that fateful day! I was, for that matter, in Witchaven, having ridden there with Prince Vaeric and the Void Knights in an attempt to ameliorate this crisis! I have stood with you in the face of the barbaric menace of the goblins and the trolls! And I fought at Vectis II’s own side against a cult of demon-summoners with the full and unquestionable intent of keeping you safe! I have stood here, genuine and forthright with you, yet only lies and malice are woven from the false King’s lips, and yet, I stand here to tell you not to hate him, but to pity him. Tom ~ Player of Oliver II, King of Kandarin, Prince of Albamonte, Prince of Camelot, Keeper of the Legacy of Baxtorian and Vanguard of Armadyl.

20-Apr-2016 22:53:28

Palpatom

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For V**tis II was once Tyrek Vekon, a man I dearly loved as a brother in arms. We were the fondest of friends and allies, we were back to back against foes and other nastiness for so long. Even when Asgarnia and Kandarin spat fury and brimstone against each other, our bond remained sturdy throughout. He, like Vergil, like so many Vekons, has fallen. Fallen to the lies of Senna the Unfaithful, who has woven her web around him and twisted his mind from rationality and compassion to darkness and obsession. Part of me prays that there is some salvage that can be done to the noble House Vekon, and I hope that they can be given time, after the liberation, to rehabilitate and rediscover themselves, for they are but spectres of their former selves. Leeched from them is the passion for their people, devoured is the love of a peaceful and secure nation, and now there is only this focus on hegemony and control. Tyrek, I am sorry that I could not protect you from the woman who has brought a nation to its knees, and so, in your name, I fight, just as I fight in the name of every other man, woman and child who has suffered at Senna’s hand! You will be free, Ardougne will be free, all Kandars will be free! Let freedom ring! Let freedom roar! Undaunted, and undefeatable! Tom ~ Player of Oliver II, King of Kandarin, Prince of Albamonte, Prince of Camelot, Keeper of the Legacy of Baxtorian and Vanguard of Armadyl.

20-Apr-2016 22:53:40

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