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Lord Pyro I
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2(cont). In my view, this took the form of powerful human mage characters within w42. These characters became increasingly common as Mahjarrat RP was killed off to create a new wave of magical noble families of great and occasionally staggering powers. Among these acceptable human characters, I saw powers that summoned storms, created city leveling superweapons, and often rivaled or exceeded the power of any remaining characters from the "overpowered" races.

3. I hope you won't find it too hypocritical of me to say I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one. We need better ways of dealing with the tougher issues around Metagaming and alts are very much not the solution.

4. Agreed. It's gotten harder, particularly as lines blurred between different rp groups, but I fully support this.

5. Barring some level of IC propaganda that can probably be placed on an existing thread somewhere I fully agree with this as well.

6. Talked about this above in reply to Rid.

7. I think anything like this would end up as a clique sooner or later. Would be nice to have but I believe more in having separate groups interacting with each other frequently. I believe it promotes more activity and a diversity of viewpoints.

8. Still see a place for enforced rules within roleplay personally. We all know it's needed at some level for anything to work. That said it shouldn't extend further than the people who've agreed to play by those rules. If you don't like how it's set up there should be no penalty other than this group won't play with you.

9. Sounds alright, potentially subject to metagaming issues but I have a few ideas to iron that out.

10. It's always important to consider when such a situation arises, if only for a moment, that your rules might be flawed in some way. The best defense against this kind of issue is to keep the rules as fair and balanced as possible. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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12-Feb-2021 19:17:34 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2021 19:40:48 by Lord Pyro I

Kikorono
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I just think you’re sort of approaching this from the wrong perspective. Things like never worked because someone will always inevitably be out for themselves in some situation or another with a general “public” roleplay canon. It’s just a natural thing to want to be a bigger part of a group or in control of it, no matter how tiny that control may actually be. Then you get the overpowered characters and all the drama junk, my own characters included.

There’s not a right answer or anything to “change” about how things are or should be. It’s roleplay on a public game. Get a group together and have fun with what that group wants to do. If you wanna interact with another group or their canon, talk to them and see if they want to. Y’all act like this is some sort of job sometimes lmfao, it’s roleplay, just have fun.

12-Feb-2021 19:50:10

Lord Pyro I
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Kikorono said :
I just think you’re sort of approaching this from the wrong perspective. Things like never worked because someone will always inevitably be out for themselves in some situation or another with a general “public” roleplay canon. It’s just a natural thing to want to be a bigger part of a group or in control of it, no matter how tiny that control may actually be. Then you get the overpowered characters and all the drama junk, my own characters included.

There’s not a right answer or anything to “change” about how things are or should be. It’s roleplay on a public game. Get a group together and have fun with what that group wants to do. If you wanna interact with another group or their canon, talk to them and see if they want to. Y’all act like this is some sort of job sometimes lmfao, it’s roleplay, just have fun.

Well, you enjoy your hobby the way you want to and I'll enjoy it the way I want to. far as public RP goes I'd say that it did work for a long time. Not forever but then if that was the requirement for success then everything is a failure. Hopefully by learning from the lessons of the past it will be even better next time. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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12-Feb-2021 20:27:13

Kikorono
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Lord Pyro I said :
Well, you enjoy your hobby the way you want to and I'll enjoy it the way I want to.

That's literally what my whole post was about, so I assume that's just you agreeing with me.

Lord Pyro I said :
far as public RP goes I'd say that it did work for a long time. Not forever but then if that was the requirement for success then everything is a failure.

The Roman Empire worked for a long time, until it didn't. I wouldn't call them failures either, just ways learned how not to do it. Fact is you're talking about public roleplay as if it's some thing that can just be decided by a specific group of people for everyone. If you don't agree with that, then this post is about setting up an private individual group that you want, no?

EDIT:

Not private, that has implications other than what I meant. Meant more of an autonomous group that doesn't claim to be the one true canon or group.

12-Feb-2021 21:27:25 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2021 21:31:15 by Kikorono

Lord Pyro I
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Kikorono said :
Lord Pyro I said :
Well, you enjoy your hobby the way you want to and I'll enjoy it the way I want to.

That's literally what my whole post was about, so I assume that's just you agreeing with me.

Lord Pyro I said :
far as public RP goes I'd say that it did work for a long time. Not forever but then if that was the requirement for success then everything is a failure.

The Roman Empire worked for a long time, until it didn't. I wouldn't call them failures either, just ways learned how not to do it. Fact is you're talking about public roleplay as if it's some thing that can just be decided by a specific group of people for everyone. If you don't agree with that, then this post is about setting up an private individual group that you want, no?

EDIT:

Not private, that has implications other than what I meant. Meant more of an autonomous group that doesn't claim to be the one true canon or group.

I wasn't agreeing with you so much as rebuking your last comment that I was treating it like a job instead of a chance to have fun. I simply find enjoyment in different things.

And simply because something is in the past is not definitive proof that it is worse than what has followed it. Sometimes what we can learn from history is that we have made a wrong turn. In the history of w42, most people have been happy to allow their clan leader to decide some things for them. So far I have only mused on possibilities of how this new community should be organized so nothing is finalized. My only really firm position on the subject is that it should be more democratic than it was before. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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12-Feb-2021 23:09:58

Nathmatics
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In all honesty, I'm not going to do a "ten things" bit, since it honestly cannot be surmised to work neccesarily. As I am now, I haven't got the inclination nor energy to try my best, since whilst collaboration would be nice, nothing is going to be easy if at all impossible to make a newer canon. Or whatever these rulesets are.

I may have stated I could be an arbiter since I'm generally neutral and avoid OOC bollocks when you messaged me before, but honestly, I don't like the prospect of having people trying to hypothetically lick my feet for good-boy points if I even got to that stage, because you know people like to have IC or OOC influence over other people. I'm sure you and a good portion of W42's roleplayers can recognize that as a distinct issue when you give one person all the power.

I'd leave it at just "let people roleplay with groups and/or friends they find interesting". Because historically POKs have always been a bit of a clusterfuck, especially when a battle happens and no victor is agreed upon. You'd think people would be less childish but ultimately nobody likes to be the loser, moreso when you have your hypothetical neck and reputation on the line. I'd also argue that having grace periods after the creation of a POK or after battles doesn't solve the big issue of OOC bickering whatsoever.

Also pretty much everything @Klitty said. Just enjoy the hobby. If you're in a situation where the hobby becomes stressful or other negative thoughts persist for long periods of time, then you probably don't enjoy it and want to step away from it, (unless you like that sort of stress) which I assume is what the majority of the older roleplayers who just wanted to roleplay because it's fun , aside from the ones that I cannot mention.

Normally now though, I prefer to roleplay in a sort of pathfinder-style. No central hub of any importance and just fun. Problem being this kind of roleplay is rare these days.

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18-Feb-2021 13:23:31

Lord Pyro I
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@ the above

Can we please not see this argument rewashed and posted again on this thread, please? It's getting to the point of spam.

This thread exists for those who are interested in engaging with the idea of building something, not those who want to convince everyone else that it can't be done. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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18-Feb-2021 19:26:48

Kikorono
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Literally everyone: Hey honestly the POK thing sucks, let people do their own group thing.

Pyro: Yeah but that's what I want!

Brick wall, go make your own little POK bubble if that's what you want so badly. No one else wants it.

19-Feb-2021 03:05:26

RiDaku
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Nobody's trying to convince other people that it can't be done. We're trying to convince people that we don't need to cater our wants and our groups in whatever form they're built (freelance, pok, quest, slice of life, etc) to everybody else. This whole "10 things you'd change" is just a leadup to attempting another singular canon initiative which is an absolute disaster waiting to happen. This thread is a bad idea, it's just rehashing issues that saw jagex moderators , not forum moderators, JAGEX EMPLOYEES coming by to tell us to "tone it down, stop this craziness."

Interesting that now instead of just discouraging "haha id get rid of PLAYER because X!!!" you're now discouraging anything that isn't agreeing with you. End of thread, ladies and gents, jump ship, we've hit the bedrock so to speak - Pyro just wants to validated again. Refer to my first post. The Sicarius |
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19-Feb-2021 03:59:09

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