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RiDaku
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Oh also do yourself a favor, don't put any of my clanmembers' names on anything you're doing. A few of them mentioned that you've just assigned them areas of the map that you'll list them claiming, and I've instructed them to approach forum moderation if you do. So uh...


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11-Feb-2021 20:18:52

Kikorono
Apr Member 2016

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RiDaku said :
The biggest roleplay-related mistake that was ever made was pushing this idea of one individual public story across every roleplay group and that if they didn't obey it they weren't part of a "public" scene. I fell for this mistake too and learned my lesson. Anybody should be welcome to publicly claim anywhere they'd like for their roleplays and interested parties may come and go freely.

this tbh

11-Feb-2021 23:31:46

CrocoNuts
Jul Member 2010

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Here's some food for thoughts, Pyro. See this as my contribution to what things I'd like to have seen/see changed about 'the community'. These are just from the top of my head as I had nothing to do this morning, I decided to be semi-productive. Either way, it's not a top 10 but it's one more specifically tailored for this thread. Enjoy.


“When an area by lore/game design indicates little to no population/life than that area can’t be claimed, nor dressed up as an entire province of some sorts. It was hard already keeping track of who owned what on the map, let alone what people made up around the map.”

“When a race is deemed too powerful in lore, I do not want anyone playing them outside of plots for specific roleplay groups. Mahjarrats in disguise, godlike beings and even tower of life nonsense were like a plague at some point and I can’t say I am/was a fan of it.”

“To never use alts to take on kingdoms just so you can pass them onto a ‘main’ account of yourself or someone else. Trust and good intention is more important imo than spitefully proving others you can work around them in an online environment.”

“To never use your OOC resources/network to call for IC help when things aren’t going the way you envisioned ‘the story’ going in your head. For people to be more accepting of the ‘bad things’ that happened ICly plainly said.”

“For people to never make a thread about the beforementioned thing just to amas more support for their arguments and stoically continue their roleplay either way just now with a lot of drama and people involved.”

“For people to stop using the phrases of public/private roleplay all the time. This is not the case anymore since the ‘grand canon of W42’ shattered and population dipped. It’s just not a thing anymore and shouldn't become one again.”

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12-Feb-2021 06:58:51 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2021 06:59:23 by CrocoNuts

CrocoNuts
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____________ Cont.

“For ‘the community’ to have a proper single FC/CC to use where all roleplayers would just hang out in and could find people on the get-go to roleplay. These initiatives were often too much clique based and outsiders were treated poorly without incentive to stay.”

“To never ever assume that someone can make choices for someone else in an online environment. Rule makers, leaders of groups, elected arbiters, thread hosts, people on W42 for X years etc. are not able to force people into using the medium as they see fit, merely guide them.”

“For people to state what gear and special items their characters had before entering a plot. I’m all for having a special magical embedded shield or custom spell, but some people had a tool/weapon/herb/spell/etc. for any sort of negative situation their character came across.”

“That when you are clearly running into the same brick wall that is plainly put the status quo of your roleplay community, you just give up on fitting in. Try your own things instead to see if that catches on as opposed to forcing yourself upon people who want nothing to do with your ways of roleplaying.” Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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12-Feb-2021 06:59:02 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2021 06:59:33 by CrocoNuts

Dansplainer
Sep Member 2007

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Kikorono said :
RiDaku said :
The biggest roleplay-related mistake that was ever made was pushing this idea of one individual public story across every roleplay group and that if they didn't obey it they weren't part of a "public" scene. I fell for this mistake too and learned my lesson. Anybody should be welcome to publicly claim anywhere they'd like for their roleplays and interested parties may come and go freely.

this tbh

this and pretty much everything CrocoNuts said sums up nearly everything I have to say about this.

Our community is dying, in part, because we forced everyone to abide by private/public standards. This does two things:
1) creates an environment of unhealthy, toxic OOC competition, jealousy, over imaginary land, and frustration between parties involved in the dispute,
2) makes people who don't get along to then have to interact with each other, if they wanted to be involved in any kind of roleplay, especially PoK/politically based RP. Remember, there really was no room for a private PoK, or else you would be ridiculed and ostracized.

Secondly, we need to stop acting like the game isn't dying. In part, this has to do with the slow progress of the story, but I think it's also because this is an old game. What new people we do get in this community trickle in, and, very few actually stay. Even fewer are new to the game. Hi, I'm Dan.

12-Feb-2021 08:25:09 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2021 08:48:01 by Dansplainer

Dansplainer
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I don't want to be pessimistic, though. I do believe that the community can survive, but I do not believe that threads like this, and discussions like this, can help, because in the long run, there is nothing that discussions like these can do to make things the same as they were in the past, which I think is moreso what outcome you expect from this conversation, except when we would have threads like this one pop up (pushing for a single canon, land claims thread, trying to "fix" the community, a roleplaying hub, a roleplaying server/friends chat, etc) and people just argued over the same things, over and over, because we simply could not solve our incapability to exist and work as a whole community. This is common sense, people are just incompatible with each other, for one reason or another. We can keep hashing it out, but it won't get us anywhere.

While in large part because of the immensity of the game worlds, or complexity of the lore, as well as having been developed more recently, this is one of the reasons why other RP communities in other platforms do so well.

Pyro, I am sure you have your own pals and you have your group. Ask them what they would like to roleplay, and get the ball rolling. That's all we really should do, at this point. Hi, I'm Dan.

12-Feb-2021 08:25:17 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2021 08:47:39 by Dansplainer

Quael
Jan Member 2018

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I'll throw my two cent in this;

for everything listed in here, if it does change and happen, to be practiced by the heart and not be just preached again. I cannot stretch it enough for when I say that people that preach for these type of changes end up doing just that, preaching and not practicing it.

This isn't the first time change was attempted, I just hope it can finally be practiced.
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12-Feb-2021 16:54:46

Lord Pyro I
Nov Member 2018

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Quael said :
I'll throw my two cent in this;

for everything listed in here, if it does change and happen, to be practiced by the heart and not be just preached again. I cannot stretch it enough for when I say that people that preach for these type of changes end up doing just that, preaching and not practicing it.

This isn't the first time change was attempted, I just hope it can finally be practiced.

Well said. I'll do my best to live up to it.


Now then... Quite a lot of comments here to be addressed so I'll jump right into it.

First and foremost... Cool your beans. I'm picking up on a few pointed comments here but this is a forum for free and open debate. Please feel free to be expressive but anger has no place here.

@Rid The whole "I'll put your name down" thing was a joke (genuinely I swear it was). Rest assured I will not be naming anyone on my threads without their express consent. As for the other point, it's probably fair to say that launching A public RP community does not necessarily make it THE public RP community so to speak. It is also worth trying to remove the stigma around the term "private RP" (if we stopped using it to describe the punishment of excluding people it would be a good start).

@Croco

Oh, so many references here but I'd like to discuss them at face value for now.

1. Rule might need some modification. There is such a thing as colonies, after all. Not to mention the possibility that inhospitable areas can potentially be claimed by POKs that are affluent in other areas for purposes relating to strategy or prestige. Still not opposed to the concept.

2. Deemed by who is I think the interesting question here. I believe this is the kind of determination that should be open to be voted on. My personal opinion on the matter is that as character power exists on a spectrum there will always be some group who rp as the most powerful characters in any setting.

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12-Feb-2021 19:17:25

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