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Quael
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Quael

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I would like to state some things after reading what everyone has concluded. So this is a respond to everyone's post.

1. Removing of an historical part of world 42. Sure, this would remove something that has been part of the roleplaying community since it started, but as you call it, it is an historical part, it's history, and should remain history. 42 Needs change, refusing to accept change is fine, but it should be considered. Giving npc their rightful ownership would do more than a POK ownership does. One would be more people being able to interact with the kingdom with a plot that doesn't involve situation like, "We don't see this canon, get off my pixel land." Another would actually give knowledge towards everyone. I've had new members to my Godless rp group thinking NPC still owned their kingdom. Not only that we need to consider the fact that POK aren't doing as much as promised anymore, and are more afraid of losing their land, and causes ooc problem.

2. What if we want to return to the old style of POK? Like this thread, one shall be made and however you want to make it work, can work. I honestly doubt this should be a worry. But if it does go to where someone wants it back, well they can either post a thread on why it should return. or simply be told no. Fact is that we need to also grow up and with a very good maturity level, talk and teach the said rper, who might be new or absent for a long time, "This is what the community wanted, a lot agreed and it was made. So now it belongs to the lore.

3 What will we replace the POK war with? I've said this countless of times, We are in the Sixth age, an age where the gods have returned and their followers are now attempting to fight for their gods. We can replace the POK war with guild, faction, organization war. There are now different sets of goal that we can apply to. "Oh but we don't want religion to take over our rp /we/ don't." Well then don't join it. simply watch it from afar.[con]
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14-Jan-2017 18:20:05

Quael
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Quael

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[continuing on 3] the fact is we are stuck on POK system and don't want to leave it because we simply want to avoid conflict that can get our character killed. Guess what, we can change that rule also, we can make it that a conflict rp doesn't kill your character unless YOU want it to. WE need to expand and change our way of roleplaying. That Countdown rp was fun, no POK system, something like that should be done every month/week.

4. So we are just going to be forced to give it up? No. but in my opinion if the community is, I think you should also. Know that if the majority of the vote is say to finally removing the POK system, anyone claiming "I am king of said kingdom." might be acknowledged as a private roleplay then. The Public roleplay community change will affect everyone in different ways. If it is a good, bad, benefit, or worst it is still a change. And we need to change the community, to help it grow. No one should force anyone to do anything. But understand there will be rules that will apply to the public community that if you don't follow, you will just be labeled as a private roleplay to some people.

5. I am in charge of an inactive kingdom, and I don't want to give it up and wish to make it active. No one is stopping you. But if everyone agreed to this. AS stated above, it will be the communities new rule and you will be left out.
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14-Jan-2017 18:29:52

Quael
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Quael

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That being said, whatever the community wants to do, everyone needs to understand that it requires a big change then. How will this work, what should replace this, how will it benefit us, It will be hard,and yes we are removing something that has been around for ages, but change is required for us to grow, or we will just be stuck in a past we don't want to be in.
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14-Jan-2017 18:32:06

Quael
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Quael

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I'd also like to add.

What if we have a POK with an huge area that no NPC owns, like the wilderness?
DEPENDS ON THE COMMUNITY AND YOU. I'd say that it should also follow the same rule, because the wilderness is a very dangerous area, people rather die than go there, filled with dragons, bandits, chaos dwarves, hobgoblins, undead, dark warriors and pirates, I doubt anyone would want to even consider in taking an entire kingdom, that is really a waste land, worst than a desert. But that is up to you and the community.
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14-Jan-2017 18:41:01

RiDaku
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Then why did Blox decide to add his name to the thread (even though it's wrong because Dan doesn't actually support this)?

Furthermore, why are you harassing him for not going along with it? This doesn't seem like a discussion thread, this is putting a gun to each POK/C leader's head and saying "Nod your head."

EDIT: And don't PM me about Blox making you want to quit RS while you're up here talking mad shit to someone else. The Sicarius |
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14-Jan-2017 18:53:48 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2017 18:54:22 by RiDaku

Khaji
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I think people are ignoring the fact you can basically do what everyone does with a pok without being a pok. The only difference is you dont get to tell x-person or y-group they dont exist withing their land. If you take away the power to essentially keep a person or group from being acknowledged for whatever reason its better overall. People need to work together not use their pok as a means to force others into your solution as has happened in many pok's over the years. Do your political intrigue with noble houses. You can be grand pubah of Draynor and do throne room style rp still just without being on a fancy seat.

PoK's have a way of warping even the most noble cause into a community issue. Getting rid of pok's doesn't solve every issue, but it gives everyone a more even playing field to present their issues instead of a select few groups holding all the cards. Nobody is forcing the pok's to go away just many are tired of the stress and bs that surrounds pok's. There has not been a single pok that did not do something controversial.

To those vehemently opposing the pok abolition tough. Seems like half the world is going to do it. Nobody is going to force any who dont want to let go, go along. They just end up being the only pok's left. A lot of people seem to want this and imo let this have a chance before kicking and screaming. More bs has come from pok's than not. In my experience the most successful rp's have been done by groups that aren't associated with a pok. -

14-Jan-2017 19:13:08

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Khaji said :
I think people are ignoring the fact you can basically do what everyone does with a pok without being a pok. The only difference is you dont get to tell x-person or y-group they dont exist withing their land. If you take away the power to essentially keep a person or group from being acknowledged for whatever reason its better overall. People need to work together not use their pok as a means to force others into your solution as has happened in many pok's over the years. Do your political intrigue with noble houses. You can be grand pubah of Draynor and do throne room style rp still just without being on a fancy seat.

PoK's have a way of warping even the most noble cause into a community issue. Getting rid of pok's doesn't solve every issue, but it gives everyone a more even playing field to present their issues instead of a select few groups holding all the cards. Nobody is forcing the pok's to go away just many are tired of the stress and bs that surrounds pok's. There has not been a single pok that did not do something controversial.

To those vehemently opposing the pok abolition tough. Seems like half the world is going to do it. Nobody is going to force any who dont want to let go, go along. They just end up being the only pok's left. A lot of people seem to want this and imo let this have a chance before kicking and screaming. More bs has come from pok's than not. In my experience the most successful rp's have been done by groups that aren't associated with a pok. -

I think the problem isn't POKs, it's the people that lead them.

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14-Jan-2017 19:31:32

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