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NievesCoochi

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This was definitely needed, Khaine. I've been using a gambeson with my character forever, and everyone looks at me like I'm crazy when I tell them I have padding under my armor. The time of the "slow heavy armor" myth is finally over. Thank you.

-=Carac Vodhr=-

04-Apr-2013 18:49:00

heretic hary

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^Upon you posting that, I'm very, very happy. I've been wondering if I was perhaps the only person around who actually knew of a stupidly common, basic thing that most people knew nothing about until I typed this up. (And most people still don't know anything about it.)

*cries tears of happiness.*

All,
Sad to still see that people like clinging to their self-hurting presuppositions. That's why I like roleplaying in the Sicarius as they focus on realistic and very well-thought combat, although I should warn you that they do not accept guest members. Any character you put in will either die in the clan, or eventually become blooded if they survive all the mishaps and adventures.

06-Apr-2013 21:11:19 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2013 02:31:27 by heretic hary

Corvus Grey

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Last week, my character was sleeping. He was going to get rofl-stabbed but seeing as he is extremely paranoid he wears plate while sleeping. Some guy went up and

*Attempts to dagger chest*

And I said,

*Weak dagger dosen't even dent platemail*

The guy was like,

((WTF! Dagger pierce platemail! WTF noob! Blacklisted.))

Why do people think platemail is so thin but weighs you down so much?!

06-May-2013 00:10:03

heretic hary

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''Platemail'' isn't even an actual armor. There's plate, and there's maille (butchered into ''chainmail'') but no platemail.

Technicalities aside, a dagger is generally going to be curved. A knife is going to have a straight spine. Special wrestling knives were used by knights in full armor for piercing plate while wrestling with each other in full plate . Not like the sport wrestling, and not slow. Fluid, and as modern onlookers have described while watching the few who have devoted themselves to reconstructing medieval wrestling, incredibly violent when compared to anything showed in movies or media today. (Of course, there's a limit to what can be put into films and entertainment, as too violent/dangerous can lead to the actor(s) involved being hurt and/or killed.) The character that attacked your character doesn't appear to have had that kind of knife.

As for your question, most people aren't good, clear thinkers. The many uninformed believe medieval swords were slow and awkward, so why did such weapons remain in popular use for centuries? If there was really no skill to medieval fights, how did the fight schools gain any popularity? Most people do not think things through.

06-May-2013 00:24:01 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2013 16:00:27 by heretic hary

heretic hary

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testing: alt code for ''degree'' symbol.

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And...

...success! Although this is irrelevant, I am this thread's owner. Alt code for this is 0176. Enjoy using this in roleplay!

EDIT: For those who don't know, hold down ALT while typing 0176 on the numberpad to the side of the arrowkeys. Just some helpful clarification.

29-Jul-2013 14:21:00 - Last edited on 30-Jul-2013 01:55:56 by heretic hary

Roraria

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oheythxvurrmuch :)
Fantastic thread. Maybe now people will start thinking about plate armor correctly.

But I must ask, how effective is a gambeson alone? It could be used as lightweight armor by itself, couldn't it?
Not impressed.

30-Jul-2013 01:27:02

heretic hary

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^In a different guide I've been working on, I just finished the section about the gambeson. I'll post it here for you to read.

''A gambeson (also referred to as an arming doublet or padded jack) is actually armor fit for users of all parts of the combat triangle, and not just melee. The simplest form of armor and universally available to anyone, this is simply thick cloth, often wool, ranging from ¼ inch to 2 inches thick and fitting as tightly to the body as possible. The material can be easily changed, to mystic cloth or other such materials. This allows a very easy creation of ranged-magic or melee-magic hybrid armor. A simple, magical fabric arranged into the form of a gambeson would be the most basic form of armor for a magician.

Historically, gambesons were used for many purposes. The silk gambesons of the Parthians were able to stretch with the impact of oncoming arrows instead of tear and prevented a wound’s infection. European fighters who would wear plate armor would have a gambeson on underneath to help disperse the shock of blows. Common footsoldiers in the Dark Ages relied on the gambeson to reduce the severity of broken bones from injuries they would receive. In cultures throughout time, a sort of thick cloth has shown to be the most basic kind of armor.'' - Agent Khaine, Combat

It depends on the materials if you want an effective lightweight armor. It ultimately reduces the severity of injuries given, and isn't likely to actually stop injuries. Though a gambeson certainly beats none! If you want a lightweight armor, I'd advise using a gambeson, but then knitting an outer layer of leather onto the outside, with mail between. Much cheaper, and much lighter, than plate. One example would be a stylish leather trenchcoat with an inner wool lining, and mail in between. The result would be something completely inconspicuous, and a good, lightweight armor.

30-Jul-2013 01:53:47

I Castigo I

I Castigo I

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An aketon might be more useful for some of the plate armour in this game than a gambeson, but good thread all the same. Perhaps adding a section about leather armours might help? It's not plate metal , but it seems to be used more and more often, and this might be the place to put a guide.


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29-Sep-2013 18:47:22

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