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RiDaku
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Aivas said :
This guide isn't everything, lol.

Oh well.

At least it described how plate armour is easier to move around in than mail.

Could still use some additional content, though :c


There's a roleplayer Zinning around, and he's quite bold(o) in the idea that, just because he's worn mail before (Or at least, he claims he has.. He claims to have done many a thing irl that clashes with what's done in roleplay), and so anybody in plate is completely incapable of moving at more than 2mph.

He also claims that pistol crossbows can rip through leather and armor like paper, though, and all his counters are impossible to recounter.

So y'know. We need a few more guides.
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14-Oct-2013 07:06:04

RiDaku
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Ah, yes, but since he's boneheaded in his ideas, he won't listen to anybody.

The moment people try to explain it to him, he adds them to his ignore and laughs with his clan about people whining. Quite irritating, especially when he's dragging down roleplay.
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14-Oct-2013 07:15:27

Aivas

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RiDaku said :


There's a roleplayer Zinning around, and he's quite bold(o) in the idea that, just because he's worn mail before (Or at least, he claims he has.. He claims to have done many a thing irl that clashes with what's done in roleplay), and so anybody in plate is completely incapable of moving at more than 2mph.

He also claims that pistol crossbows can rip through leather and armor like paper, though, and all his counters are impossible to recounter.

So y'know. We need a few more guides.



Well. Having played around a little with more than my fair share of armour, I can tell ya right now that odds are it's easier for you to move around in a suit of full stereotypical plate armour than it is to move around in a full suit of mail armour. In fact, way I remember it, it was easier for me to move around in plate armour than in mail even when I left out the chausses, never mind those ungodly schy*balds. Pretty much agreeing with the guide. And disagreeing with the "zinning" roleplayer. Probably.

Now, a couple of things on that.

Firstly, when I say "stereotypical plate armour", I mean the kind you're most likely to see in movies and s***. Gothic Armour comes to my mind here, but Maximillian and Greenwich styles work, as well. I do not mean Lorica Segmentata, and I /definitely/ do not mean Transitional Armour. For all intents and purposes, if you're unfamiliar with the differences, imagine Lorica Segmentata functioned as a really primitive attempt at effective rigid defence while looking spiffy. Don't worry about it too much. Even the historians haven't quite figured this ancient beauty out. Next, imagine mail armour was a really shiny, really heavy, suit of armour which was a b**** to repair, weighed /more/ than plate armour in some cases, and distributes its weight in a way that turns most of your tactical prowess and fine motor skills into those of an old angry gorilla. --

14-Oct-2013 23:40:52

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-- Not the greatest armour in the history of mankind, but hey. It got the job done. Much of its success on the battlefield owed to the fact that it indirectly saved the lives of many those who wore it by preventing slashing wounds. Slashing wounds = open wounds = 5 star resort for infectious pathogens. And, as we all know from movies!....Infection in the Middle Ages is a bad thing. Blunt trauma? Broken bones? Mail rings splitting off and being pressed into the wearer? Not a problem with your handy dandy bloodthirsty surgeon lying around! Thus mail was effective at both helping prevent you from getting sliced in half, and keeping an infection from rotting you to pieces in the aftermath of the battle.

Now we come to Transitional Armour. This stuff is ugly, in my opinion. Literally, it does not look pretty, at least to me. But my main problem with it is the weight. Essentially, Transitional Armour is a general description for the 14th century trend of throwing a bunch of crap on top of a suit of mail in order to provide more 'effective' defence in combat. Generally speaking, armourers could and often did add leather armour, steel plate armour, and additional (sometimes unnecessary) bronze or brass fittings to 'complement' an already full and heavy suit of mail armour. Putting it plainly, this s*** was /heavy/, yo. Now imagine you're wearing that /on top of/ a hot, smelly gambeson. And on top of /that/, imagine you're being asked to fight all day in hot weather. If there was /ever/ a time where a knight could not get up on his own if he fell over, this was probably it. And yet they could still run, could still turn around, and could still fight. Not to mention the fact that I rarely (if ever) see this type of armour used in Runescape Roleplay.

Now fast-forward a little bit. Here we are, ladies and gents! Plate armour has come into its own! With the replacement of a full suit of mail and heavy gambeson by the much lighter aketon and gousset,--

14-Oct-2013 23:41:01 - Last edited on 15-Oct-2013 00:04:23 by Aivas

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--the armour itself has lost a lot of weight. Not enough to make it as light as a feather; this stuff is still heavy. The inherent beauty of how this armour functions, however, is in the way it evenly distributes weight across the body. Plainly speaking, you can walk, run, fight, and even jump in a properly constructed suit of plate armour. How?

Imagine placing a big block of metal, say, 40 pounds worth of metal, in a backpack, and wearing said backpack. Pretty heavy, right? You probably feel a lot of weight concentrated in a few areas. It's the same concept as if you wore a chain mail hauberk. Lots of weight, distributed to a few areas = feels heavy as hell. Now say you got tired of lugging this block of metal around. You decide to chop it up, and put a few pounds in your backpack, fasten a few pounds to your arms, hold a few pounds of metal in your hands...and so on, until now what you've got is a lot of weight, distributed over a much wider area. A bit like plate armour. You probably feel lighter, and your movement might not be hindered as much as if you were walking around with a 40 pound backpack.


....Bad metaphor. I know. But it gets the story told, and the concept stated.



Overall point is, although a /lot/ more than what can be covered in a video game has to be factored in to determine the ability of a person when wearing armour of any kind, unless this plate armoured guy was wearing Transitional-Era Armour (sans additional, extenuating circumstances ie. the armour was never designed for the wearer's build), he'll almost certainly still be able to run around, swing his sword, jump, and kill ya.

Hope this helps ;)

14-Oct-2013 23:41:23 - Last edited on 15-Oct-2013 00:37:02 by Aivas

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Quite right... in which case perhaps you can help me increase my own knowledge by telling me where this information was sourced from?
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14-Oct-2013 23:57:29

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