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John McAfee
Sep Member 2023

John McAfee

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Lord Pyro I said :
With respect,

We have rules on W42 for a reason and we created a means of dealing with rulebreakers for a reason as well. Abusing the blacklist as many have done throughout W42's history, particularly the Vekons and their allies is a problem but Blacklists can still be a completely reasonable response in certain circumstances.

Public PoKs have never been required to acknowledge those that break W42's fundamental rules such as metagaming or randoming or those that make real life threats of any kind. Blacklisting a single person or even a single group has never been considered to turn a public RP into a private one. Please stop using this false comparisons or insane exaggerations, particularly given that many who have posted here have openly bragged about abuse the blacklist system for years.

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28-Nov-2018 23:36:51

Liam the Big
Jan Member 2023

Liam the Big

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John McAfee said :
Lord Pyro I said :
With respect,

We have rules on W42 for a reason and we created a means of dealing with rulebreakers for a reason as well. Abusing the blacklist as many have done throughout W42's history, particularly the Vekons and their allies is a problem but Blacklists can still be a completely reasonable response in certain circumstances.

Public PoKs have never been required to acknowledge those that break W42's fundamental rules such as metagaming or randoming or those that make real life threats of any kind. Blacklisting a single person or even a single group has never been considered to turn a public RP into a private one. Please stop using this false comparisons or insane exaggerations, particularly given that many who have posted here have openly bragged about abuse the blacklist system for years.



"I have fixed broken men, patched together broken minds, and mended the souls of weeping spirits. Do not tell me what I do is easy, little girl." ~ Christopher Aren

30-Nov-2018 17:21:43

Syncreticeye
Dec Member 2017

Syncreticeye

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Here's my two cents (now worthless due to inflation):

I think blacklists, in effect, are to be reserved for trolls only - anyone who intentionally tries to ruin the experience of others by cheating or bending the rules to their whim against the wishes of the majority involved.

Any other type of voiding or ignorance of other people or groups who are trying to have honest roleplay means you have established yourself as private - where you have the right to deny anyone you wish because you want to run a very specific and driven plot. However being private also means your events are set apart from the public timeline.

Imo public roleplay, and to be counted as such, must accept anyone as long as they demonstrate no intent to sabotage or otherwise troll the roleplay. "The gods envy us. They envy us because we're mortal, because any moment may be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again." - Achilles, Troy

01-Dec-2018 18:19:03

Gersty

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"P.O.K. Leaders have a responsibility to be fair and impartial and give everyone a fair chance at everything. We are all equals and no one should feel left out.

Sincerely,

God Emperor Gale, Lord of the Elitists and Eternal Immortal Ruler of half the W42 Mainland."
"When the Lord made me, He made a ramblin' man..."

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17-Jan-2019 22:11:47 - Last edited on 17-Jan-2019 22:14:28 by Gersty

RiDaku
Oct Member 2012

RiDaku

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I tried really hard to ignore this, but every so often someone comes in to somewhat-innocently add their opinion, and I'm made to remember how pretentious the whole concept of this thread is. So, before I start, let's stop pretending that this wasn't made in response to me taking Asgarnia (My thread was made on the 22nd, this was made on the 28th.) Alright? Great, so.

For all these comments about "PoKs have to accept whatever's thrown their way because that's just how it works!", it's funny that they're coming from people who do the exact opposite, and often times actually do things much worse than say "Sorry, we know you aren't doing this for the sake of RP, no thank you." Do I have to drag up the 3am unscheduled invasion that went on to take back Kandarin? No, I think we all remember that, despite how far under the rug it's been kicked.

Here's what PoK leaders need to bring to the table.

1. Activity. This is the most important thing. If your group isn't frequently roleplaying under the name of your group, then why is it sitting on land? Why is it blocking people out of things, and why does that group get so antsy whenever someone starts encroaching on it? Now, of course, "Activity" is a very broad term, and it includes everything that it implies. The leader needs to be active in-game. The leader needs to be active on the forums, both posting and reading things . The admin team, if there is one, also need to follow this criteria. The people coming together under the leader(s) are innocent enough in this case, because it's not their job to bring the roleplays and the plots, that falls on.. again.. the leader(s).

2. People. A PoK leader needs to bring people to the table. This way one person can't single-handedly take a whole area and then RP by themselves, flexing landclaims to stay in their "position of power."

(Cont) The Sicarius |
They think they are "the many", and I "the few". They think this gives them the right to walk over me.

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18-Jan-2019 15:46:54 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2019 18:12:10 by RiDaku

RiDaku
Oct Member 2012

RiDaku

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There's more to be listed, but they'll be disregarded.

As to the nature of this thread, it was made to essentially try to strongarm me in to accepting "whatever's thrown my way." In this case, one group of people coming to me with two different groups, both of which aimed to do the exact same thing and in the exact same ways. My job as a PoK leader is to bring fun, involving roleplay to the region I'm responsible for, and to similarly turn away roleplays that are counterproductive to that goal.

"Yeah, but you can just say any roleplay is like that, and then you never have to deal with anything!"

You're right, I can. Anybody can. A lot of people have. An important distinction to make is if I'm unjustly doing so, or if the people who were turned away are just unhappy that they were turned away. For the situation that this thread was made to not-so-subtly address, the people that were turned away were just unhappy that they were turned away. The fact that this thread's main selling point is "just accept it bro" is pretty telling on this.

So while we're on the topic of "How to run a PoK", what if your PoK is so large that it's breaching borders and occupying other kingdoms' land? What then? Is the first PoK leader responsible for paying attention to the goings-on of the group that they're occupying, or is it the second group leader's responsibility to message the occupying group and tell them what's going on? Because such a scenario also arose around the time of this thread being made. I see that it's not been brought up. Probably because it'd require the thread-maker to admit they don't pay enough attention to the roleplay sphere to note what's going on, and just go by what their friends tell them. The Sicarius |
They think they are "the many", and I "the few". They think this gives them the right to walk over me.

Want to Role-Play? Click Here!

18-Jan-2019 15:46:58 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2019 18:09:43 by RiDaku

RiDaku
Oct Member 2012

RiDaku

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Some people who posted on this thread threw their opinions in the ring thinking this thread was just an innocent "how-to" for leading PoKs, and that's fine. Others should (but won't) feel shame for pretending to have pure intentions, all the while un-subtly naming and shaming.

Improve yourselves before you try telling others how to. The Sicarius |
They think they are "the many", and I "the few". They think this gives them the right to walk over me.

Want to Role-Play? Click Here!

18-Jan-2019 15:56:15 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2019 18:09:57 by RiDaku

Vekon

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imagine bumping a thread from 2018 lul

Gersty said :
"P.O.K. Leaders have a responsibility to be fair and impartial and give everyone a fair chance at everything. We are all equals and no one should feel left out.

Sincerely,

God Emperor Gale, Lord of the Elitists and Eternal Immortal Ruler of half the W42 Mainland."

your persistence in being salty on these forums is starting to become admirable, kudos

RiDaku said :
-waaaaaaa-

I mean sure, if you want to interpret this thread as strictly referencing you, then by all means. Hell, the fact that you replied in the way you did at all is testament to something. I hate to shake the seat you've set for yourself at the center of the universe, but the opinions written in my post were directed towards a handful of individuals, in truth. It can only repeat itself so many times before someone will say something about it. You certainly don't need to step in here attempting to defend yourself.

This isn't a "How To" guide on running a PoK. Far from it. The purpose was, for those with something to say, to give their opinion on what makes a good PoK/PoK leader vs traits to avoid. And it was meant to be civil. I'm glad you and the person who posted before you were able to hold your bile back for at least six or so weeks, though.

EDIT: Also, the name/shaming of the """"thread maker"""" is unnecessary. As I put in my first post, I know I'm guilty of not being a perfect example of a PoK leader by any means. It's humbling to reflect on our choices. You should try it sometime.
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Axel Vekon, the Eternal Emperor, the Archmage, the Lichslayer, of the Holy Kandarin Empire.

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