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Lady Airlea
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Lady Airlea

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An election could work, but there's a few problems.

1) It's impossible to have a fair, private ballot.
Will people truly vote for who they want, knowing that person can see it?

2) What criteria are there for voting? Does someone need to rp there, or does the entire community vote on who has Rellekka when the people who RP there don't number as many.

3) How does it make sense IC? We are most concerned over story, so how does an election translate to IC? Does the election only matter for OOC leadership, the people who actually start and create roleplay? Or are we bringing in NPCs and abolishing PoKs entirely?
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02-Sep-2016 14:50:56

DormamMagus
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I certainly don't agree with an election to appoint a "new, unbiased player" to handle and claims and activity. Main reason I don't is that one doesn't exist and if one does exist in theory there certainly aren't two and sooner or later the first one would quit or step down and he or she would need to be replaced and they would be.

As far as voting over whether or not individuals should keep control over their lands, I get the argument that the same people seem to control land over time and it's a fair one. Part of the reason that they are able to do that is that they've got supports, members, backers, etc who are willing to defend them when attacked and to create activity when they arn't and those same people would vote for them if it came down to an election.

That being said using the lack of a "higher power" in land management to explain away inactivity in 42 is just as much a strawman as "the elitists". It won't fix anything, Land never has. If these poc's are so inactive that they should have their land given to someone else than they are inactive enough to invade.

Going to what someone else said about a Poc "reset", we see this happen every once in a while anyway. Usually with Keldegram, Relekka, or one of the other less used areas but it does happen. Doesn't turn into very much activity other than a few short spurts, but it happens. The problem with this gets into deciding that rp once a week isn't enough, or is it too much, or what's the scale, who picks it, who calls it out, and how is the "reset" overseen.

All that being said, I agree that more groups of smaller land are better for activity than fewer larger groups (Empires *cough*). The problem gets into the system that would have to be put in place oocly to facilitate that. I don't think land is the answer to any sort of activity issues, activity is and you don't need to be a pok to get activity going and having an ooc mechanism shifts the focus towards winning rather than doing.

02-Sep-2016 15:46:52

Voden Myshi

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Generating roleplay in inactive areas is an idea I have always personally supported, and truthfully a basic IC noticeboard of the current ruling monarchs and faction leaders wouldn't be all that bad.

That said, how can we gurentee that any of this stuff would be done from a truly objective standpoint? Much of the argument I have seen in favor of a Landclaims-type solution has almost always been about personal vendettas, which is completely counter-productive and would just start the whole mess over again. On the other hand, there definitely does need to be a change, seeing as how a monopoly of Kingdoms by a small few is very much a real thing, whether we and they like to admit it or not.

So what's the solution?

I've no bloody idea, to be honest, and I won't presume to suggest one. I have my own personal bias, just like everyone else, and I'll continue to do as I have been, just as everyone else. Active roleplay and a recycling of land to genuinely new people unrelated to the past monarchs or dictators would be nice, truly it would, but we can't force the issue. People will roleplay as they please, and if change happens it will have to come organically, just like everything else. Part of it may well be the game's loss in popularity, and part of it will almost certainly be player intervention, but eventually something will shift and we'll move on to the next big crisis.

Let's see.... 31 incursions... French people... Landclaims... Privatizing roleplay...

Any guesses? I exist to amuse myself. Whether or not that includes you is not my problem.

02-Sep-2016 15:52:18

Quael
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Quael

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Honestly, this is stupid, why do you need a POK or a POC to have an active rp? Look at two years ago, even better 3 years ago. WE had active rp not only with POC and POK but with freelance rp. You don't need POK/POC to have a active rp. You just need friends, and people around you to be willing to do so. I run a Rp group, The Godless, No POC or POK, and yet they on their own ask for rp and freelance it if they can. The fact that people want a Land claim system is dumb. Yes I can see you want to try and make active to kingdoms because some kingdoms aren't active. Well, don't just stand there, MAKE IT ACTIVE! Make a group and make it active, no one will bash at you. If anyone goes on and says "This person owns it" And it's been a year of no activity, you have the rights to do it, and if the person comes back to want to try and work with you, let them, if you want of course.

The only reason I see people wanting a Land claim system is because they are as greedy as those who owns a Land. But let me explain this. What plot does a land have? Besides "Oh no, a wanted thief, a demon attacking us, a group probably rebelling against us." Ok sure, but here's the problem. There are A LOT of people who can't think of a good plot, or are too lazy, so what happens? They go to start a war against another kingdom to try and make their land active through war. So honestly, a system is a dumb idea, if you want a land to be active, well one, join it and see if you can offer help. Two find a land that no one uses and see if you can bring that up, for example Gnomes strong hold, Dorgeshuun (I partly owned it) There is a lot of land that could use people to make it active, but instead of doing anything, a system is needed, which I don't see why it is.

overall whatever happens, happens.
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02-Sep-2016 17:02:11

Hazbollah

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DormamMagus said :

That being said using the lack of a "higher power" in land management to explain away inactivity in 42 is just as much a strawman as "the elitists". It won't fix anything, Land never has. If these poc's are so inactive that they should have their land given to someone else than they are inactive enough to invade.

Don't mean to shoot you down, but this is under the assumption people will actually allow invasions.

It's pathetic, though, because in actuality they are overprotective and won't let anyone threaten their 'glorious' clan. All these sins disguised as blessings

02-Sep-2016 18:01:21

of Morrowind
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of Morrowind

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Threads like this are never beneficial as the people with their heads up their asses show up and try to derail it to prevent their precious pixel land from being taken, so that they can't do their precious pixelated political sh*t that quite frankly, is old, stale, and is making W42 Inactive.

I've come across some SNAKES here, that do unimaginable things to hold onto said pixelated land. Just give it up already. You don't need a crown to make RP.

Needless to say, I don't support this, nor do I really have anything against it. I'm indifferent; I've moved to SWTOR.

Best of luck though. W42 being active again would be nice. RP has been stale and stagnant for too long. hi

02-Sep-2016 18:43:28

Melkarth
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Melkarth

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>>>anger<<<

of Morrowind said :
Needless to say, I don't support this, nor do I really have anything against it. I'm indifferent; I've moved to SWTOR.

It really was needless to say.

Is the ERP as much better over there as it is said to be?

02-Sep-2016 19:03:18 - Last edited on 02-Sep-2016 19:04:32 by Melkarth

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