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DormamMagus
May Member 2019

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I have hesitated to create this thread. It's always tricky to raise the issue of things that have occurred in-game, in particular, to raise the issue when it relates to misconduct. However, I believe what has happened is a significant enough breach of our community standards that it necessitates a public response. And I think I'm positioned as well as anyone to do it.

First, a brief bit of background. Many of you were around for land-claims. Many of you were not. There's a mixed set of views on if it hurt the community or helped it, and I've fallen on both sides of it. I'll be honest I still don't entirely know where I fall. However, prior to us as a community getting rid of it and deciding not to bring it back, I served as one of the administrators on the last iteration of the thread.

One of our biggest moments of conflict revolved around a shady land dealing. Someone had handed over Falador from an individual to another clan, which by itself wasn't new. The transition of landed happened often for either ic political reasons or through war or even just inactivity transitioning to new leadership. But this time was different. Accusations were thrown around that a payment of ooc money was used basically to force the ic transfer. Not a bribe just the sale of the "rights" to a city. But that's not how it worked — no one controlled land by some self-given authority. The land was controlled by a shared consent of the community. Landclaims worked (at least until it didn't) because we agreed to recognize the relative neutrality of it and if nothing else the good faith exchanges. That incident hurt that. There was a vote, it was close, and ultimately, the transfer wasn't recognized. You could trace a direct line from that incident to when the landclaims ultimately collapsed. Again, there were merits to having it and to getting rid of it but that's not my point.

02-Dec-2019 19:31:31

DormamMagus
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Recently we've had the same incident occur again. It's a larger symptom of the collapse of our broader shared consent and shared acknowledgement of land, and it's important to note that it's not a symptom of the split canon issues that we've had, but rather both are symptoms of the same problem.

I get that our community is shrinking. It's small. But if we decline to the point where we're transferring around land for ooc sums of money that's both a symptom of our decline and will become an accelerant of it. I don't pretend to have the solutions to our decline but once we enter into such brazen disdain for acting in good faith I really don't know where you go from there. I wish I did.

In short, selling land for ooc-gold and then concocting some ic scheme to justify it represents a significant decline in our community. It's embarrasing. Shame on those who paid for it, shame on those who took the money, and shame on us if we go along with it.

And it's not just about the land. The further we go down the road and lose even the pretense of acting in good faith. You don't come back from that.

02-Dec-2019 19:31:39

Marine Doge

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Usually these sorts of threads piss me off and I just troll them and trash-talk them on Discord but, honestly?
Gotta say I agree wholeheartedly, this is getting outta hand.
Thanks for making something like this frnd, you're usually pretty quiet on these matters so the fact that you're speaking up is kind of a big deal imo
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02-Dec-2019 19:35:40

Drakhegao
Dec Member 2023

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Honestly, in a sense I feel partially responsible for this turn of events. I stepped down from Misthalin in the good faith that it would remain under NPC rule to avoid situations specifically such as this one. Evidently, my good faith was misplaced, and I feel like I should have known better than to place that sort of standard on our shrinking community. The King of Egypt herself.
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02-Dec-2019 19:36:56

KDF-Juan
May Member 2018

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Smh it really saddens me to see stuff like this happening. It ruins the integrity of what we stand for as a Roleplay community and should not be tolerated : (.
It's just business.

02-Dec-2019 19:41:40 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2019 19:43:03 by KDF-Juan

RiDaku
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[Generalized quote of Magus since his won't fit]

Drakhegao said :
Honestly, in a sense I feel partially responsible for this turn of events. I stepped down from Misthalin in the good faith that it would remain under NPC rule to avoid situations specifically such as this one. Evidently, my good faith was misplaced, and I feel like I should have known better than to place that sort of standard on our shrinking community.


Warning unclear, got caught in the ceiling fan. Sorry, is this thread implying that there's very recently been an OOC exchange of money for control of a POK...?
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02-Dec-2019 19:46:45

Drakhegao
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RiDaku said :
[Generalized quote of Magus since his won't fit]

Drakhegao said :
Honestly, in a sense I feel partially responsible for this turn of events. I stepped down from Misthalin in the good faith that it would remain under NPC rule to avoid situations specifically such as this one. Evidently, my good faith was misplaced, and I feel like I should have known better than to place that sort of standard on our shrinking community.


Warning unclear, got caught in the ceiling fan. Sorry, is this thread implying that there's very recently been an OOC exchange of money for control of a POK...?


Yeah, something about the new Misthalin exchanging OOC gold for people to have their own provinces and all that. I'm not 100% clear on the details myself.
The King of Egypt herself.
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02-Dec-2019 19:49:58

Marine Doge

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RiDaku said :
[Generalized quote of Magus since his won't fit]

Drakhegao said :
Honestly, in a sense I feel partially responsible for this turn of events. I stepped down from Misthalin in the good faith that it would remain under NPC rule to avoid situations specifically such as this one. Evidently, my good faith was misplaced, and I feel like I should have known better than to place that sort of standard on our shrinking community.


Warning unclear, got caught in the ceiling fan. Sorry, is this thread implying that there's very recently been an OOC exchange of money for control of a POK...?

Trying to leave the details vague to avoid name-and-shame and whatnot. But yea p much
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02-Dec-2019 19:57:41

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