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Archaeox
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This is no different to rules allowing shabbat/sabbath to be broken in order to save a life in Judaism.
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02-Jul-2022 10:03:51 - Last edited on 02-Jul-2022 10:04:47 by Archaeox

Philasophia

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Archaeox said :
This is no different to rules allowing shabbat/sabbath to be broken in order to save a life in Judaism.

Yes, I acknowledge that. I made it a Monday instead of a Sunday for the purpose of removing the religious context. I wanted to treat this as a hypothetical rule that governed all - religious or otherwise.

I can even add further reasoning so as to further remove it from a religious context. Let's say the reasoning behind creating the rule was that those in power wanted to ensure the citizens had sufficient rest, not necessarily for their own personal sake, but so that their economic productivity could be maximized. We can also suppose that these are the sorts of people whom will allow no exceptions to the rules and will lock you away or even execute you if you attempt to argue w/ reason as to why an exception should be made.

Under these circumstances, would you say it's appropriate to break the rules for a higher ethical purpose ? If under these circumstances you'd lack the courage to break the rule for fear of execution (which is an understandable fear which perhaps most would have), would you still say that the right thing to do in that situation would be to break the rules?

Thankfully, I am not amongst the powers who would disallow counter reasoning to such a rule.. So I am happy to hear your reasoning as well as opposed to just your feelings on the matter. (Both feelings and reasoning are welcome, however, I'd prefer the feelings to come equipped with good reasoning as well.) I am a light within the RuneScape forums. Not just any light, but the light of Diogenes searching for a single honest person.

02-Jul-2022 16:49:57 - Last edited on 02-Jul-2022 16:53:42 by Philasophia

Liliest

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Philasophia said :
Archaeox said :
This is no different to rules allowing shabbat/sabbath to be broken in order to save a life in Judaism.

I can even add further reasoning so as to further remove it from a religious context. Let's say the reasoning behind creating the rule was that those in power wanted to ensure the citizens had sufficient rest, not necessarily for their own personal sake, but so that their economic productivity could be maximized. We can also suppose that these are the sorts of people whom will allow no exceptions to the rules and will lock you away or even execute you if you attempt to argue w/ reason as to why an exception should be made.

Under these circumstances, would you say it's appropriate to break the rules for a higher ethical purpose ? If under these circumstances you'd lack the courage to break the rule for fear of execution (which is an understandable fear which perhaps most would have), would you still say that the right thing to do in that situation would be to break the rules?

Thankfully, I am not amongst the powers who would disallow counter reasoning to such a rule.. So I am happy to hear your reasoning as well as opposed to just your feelings on the matter. (Both feelings and reasoning are welcome, however, I'd prefer the feelings to come equipped with good reasoning as well.)

I believe it's always most important to consider the larger picture. It's better to think than to act mindlessly as many do. Some people follow rules because they lack intelligence or are simply too lazy to reason. Rules should be in the service of higher ethics, not mindless regulation.

"Rules, my dear boy, aren't walls. They're mazes to be navigated. And at their center is the solution for overruling them." - Anon

It is certainly the correct course of action to overrule a regulation which impedes proper ethics. A truth that's told with ill intent beats all the lies you can invent.

06-Jul-2022 05:28:51 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2022 05:36:26 by Liliest

SlR
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The dullest pencil is better than the sharpest mind/memory Bob says:
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06-Jul-2022 17:57:44 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2022 17:58:44 by SlR

Philasophia

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Kiwi Magic said :
@Philasophia

Are you high on methamphetamine?

I am not but I'm curious to hear the reasoning which led to your question. I am a light within the RuneScape forums. Not just any light, but the light of Diogenes searching for a single honest person.

08-Jul-2022 16:13:52

Philasophia

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SlR said :
The dullest pencil is better than the sharpest mind/memory

The question is "better for what purposes?" Because of a lack of elaboration on your part I have no choice but to speculate but feel free to offer your own choice of words.

Based on your response and the statement within your signature stating "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard," I presume by dullest pencil you mean something along the lines of, "a mediocre academic who grinds away will outcompete an intellectually gifted peer who is less industrious."

If by better you mean life outcome measured by financial or academic success then technically this is false. Intelligence is a better predictor of success than industriousness. This isn't my opinion this is a fact. Furthermore, hard work doesn't help whenever you have a complex and rapidly evolving problem to solve if you lack the intelligence to understand it.

If I were to challenge intelligence I would note that it's something you're born with and thus cannot reasonably bragged about. Furthermore, you might say that it doesn't equate to morality or wisdom and thus one should take care not to confuse them.

Just my thoughts on the matter. I am a light within the RuneScape forums. Not just any light, but the light of Diogenes searching for a single honest person.

08-Jul-2022 16:26:47 - Last edited on 09-Jul-2022 00:14:45 by Philasophia

Philasophia

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Kiwi Magic said :
SlR said :
The dullest pencil is better than the sharpest mind/memory

I don't know if this is related But Stephen King once said the best word processor is a pen and paper.

Please feel free to elaborate in your own words. I am a light within the RuneScape forums. Not just any light, but the light of Diogenes searching for a single honest person.

09-Jul-2022 16:31:16

Kiwi Magic

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Philasophia said :
Please feel free to elaborate in your own words.

Ok. I am actually a big fan of Stephen King, I have read dozens and dozens of his books but I read one of his few non-fiction books called 'On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft'.

In this book he tried to explain how he mastered the craft of writing fictional books... sometimes very big books.

He said he would write with pen and paper producing a hard copy of his book, not to be confused with a printed copy before typing it out with a typewriter, and later on with a computer word processor, such as Microsoft Word.

I'm sure many other authors do the same thing.
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