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Feb

2005

Joel

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Nex, just share your thoughts, we're not children. You don't need "permission" or have to be explicitly asked to share your thoughts before sharing them lol.

All 400+ pages of it? No. I sadly don't have the time for that and wouldn't fancy reading all of it even if I did have the time. Instead I chose to read the broad coverage from a range of outlets.

Why? Perhaps you have read all of it? If so, feel free to enlighten me/us. I'm sure we'd all really appreciate it.

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09-May-2023 19:39:48 - Last edited on 09-May-2023 19:39:56 by Joel

Origin Nexus

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Joel said :
Nex, just share your thoughts, we're not children. You don't need "permission" or have to be explicitly asked to share your thoughts before sharing them lol.

I'm also not required to, and you're also not a child, and if you want to know my thoughts you can ask me what I think, instead of telling me what I think. If you have a question, by all means, ask it., but don't complain that I didn't provide an answer to a question you never asked.

Joel said :
All 400+ pages of it? No. I sadly don't have the time for that and wouldn't fancy reading all of it even if I did have the time. Instead I chose to read the broad coverage from a range of outlets.

Why? Perhaps you have read all of it? If so, feel free to enlighten me/us. I'm sure we'd all really appreciate it.

I'm working my way through it. Like you said, it's 443 pages for the complaint. But if you have a specific question about it, I'm more than happy to try and address the question.

Have you read the motion to dismiss? As far as I know, that's the only "court findings" that apply to this case (as mentioned by the Fox statement). Or is there another "court findings" that the Fox statement is referring to?

09-May-2023 19:52:44

Mar

2007

XSlay4DeathX

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Joel said :
XSlay4DeathX,
I'll ask one final time since my request yesterday was clearly ignored.

Very simply, this thread is not about Covid however many hoops you want to try jump through in order to make it about Covid. Please also refrain from overtly political remarks.

Thanks

I was comparing another lie to another to defend fox news and why this lawsuit is unjust

My analysis of your personally; "You are highly bias and should honestly look at world events with neutral views to actually view each side of the story from all points of view."

with covid 19 off the table, what about Hunter Biden's laptop deemed Russian disinformation? <---more media lies, fox news called this out.

^main stream media pushed that story, does that mean all mainstream owns Russia money to? Dominion voting machines is nothing of value in my eyes, just more easy schemes for profits.

-Humanity definition from AI insight-

"A race of beings that hunt for energy sources only to destroy themselves with lies;
Coal - decays life of miners
Nuclear - deemed clean but can't clean up(too dangerous)

Humanity is programed with backwards mind syndrome, peace will cause overpopulation, they must fight each other and one faction created from lies and greed will fall. Humanity can try and attempt to retain 'change' but all that happening is for reason.

^No human being can out smart what is going on, $$$ is what they value, life is gambed on daily, humanities life line must be have the plug pulled or changed to save this earth.

Stage 1, divide the people
stage 2 bankrupt the people
stage 3 anger is created
stage 4 expose lies to further this anger and hate.
stage 5 let the conflicts of humanity snap back to old settings. 'Defend self'.

Sequence of events....activated...armed and ready. Humanity was never to be trusted with taking care of this earth"

AND Joel please stop being bias, with lives going out by lies, I suffer badly from the pain created...

10-May-2023 17:00:42

Mar

2007

XSlay4DeathX

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^i told you my only job was to research humanity. just an observer, but i can out smart anyone in strategy and design any world system.

I know that 'all humanity dies claim is too dire', i know many that deserve to live, no reason for them to die for the ones that favour $$$ more. <---targets are slowly drawing on them, people outnumber everything....people on this earth combined is the greatest weapon against lies.

^i don't have the power to hold them back, humanity always does dire things to save family, save friends and to punish those who stand in the way, money is not as important as that, but money does help for food etc.

World is being changed....my report from my research shows "todays people are now victims of lies

10-May-2023 17:54:04

Feb

2005

Joel

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Origin Nexus said :
I'm working my way through it. Like you said, it's 443 pages for the complaint. But if you have a specific question about it, I'm more than happy to try and address the question.

Have you read the motion to dismiss? As far as I know, that's the only "court findings" that apply to this case (as mentioned by the Fox statement). Or is there another "court findings" that the Fox statement is referring to?
Good luck with the read haha.

I guess the court findings are referring to what came out in the hearings or whatever prior to the planned trial and what led up to the settlement, which is what Murdock was saying through testimony etc? Also the texts that came out about what the hosts were discussing in private etc.

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10-May-2023 21:00:53

Feb

2005

Joel

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@XSlay4DeathX,

Nobody in this thread (as far as I can see) has claimed Fox News is the only outlet that lies or misleads. Mainstream media does this all the time, we all know that whether its CNN, MSNBC and so on. However, this thread was created in direct response to Fox paying out a historic settlement to a company it had defamed (and has now acknowledged as such) - that's it. The legitimacy of other outlets has also briefly come up in the course of this thread's discussion but this is focused specifically on a lawsuit against Fox.

I will ask you one final time before further action is taken - Please refrain from overtly political remarks. We're not talking about Covid, disinformation related to Russia, laptop stories and its coverage or lack-thereof. Any further remarks along those lines are going to be removed not on the basis of biases, but on the basis of such remarks being overtly political or off topic.

We're all human, we all have biases in a number of different ways. Me asking you to not post overtly political remarks & remarks unrelated to the subject at hand doesn't involve bias - it's me asking you to simply follow the forum rules, plain and simple.

On the subject at hand - Fox was sued, they chose to settle for nearly $800m and in a statement from them , they have acknowledged the courts findings in how claims made against the company in question were false. So I'm not sure I understand the need to defend a company that they themselves have already acknowledged wrong-doing (however significant, big or small).

So I'll ask one final time, if you wish to participate in discussions (this thread or any other), please stick to the topic and hand and refrain from overtly political remarks.

Thank you.

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10-May-2023 21:01:02

Origin Nexus

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Joel said :
I guess the court findings are referring to what came out in the hearings or whatever prior to the planned trial and what led up to the settlement, which is what Murdock was saying through testimony etc? Also the texts that came out about what the hosts were discussing in private etc. Have you read the hearing transcripts or watched them?

Joel said :
Good luck with the read haha. Thanks.
It's quite lengthy, but, there's some really interesting things... things that literally no one is talking about... things that everyone should probably know about.

So, like, you really have NO IDEA what's actually in here, and I'm assuming that certain people don't actually want others to know either, which is why almost no one is talking about it, and the reporting on this settlement will probably dissipate from the mainstream news rather quickly.

10-May-2023 21:10:56 - Last edited on 10-May-2023 21:59:30 by Origin Nexus

Origin Nexus

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Joel said :
So I'll ask one final time, if you wish to participate in discussions (this thread or any other), please stick to the topic and hand and refrain from overtly political remarks. Your bias is showing again.

You've personally stated that the thread is:
Joel said :
about media credibility

While his opinions and viewpoints may not be as eloquently expressed as you might wish, and his responses may be overtly dramatic, he is raising valid points regarding "media credibility" and he's using examples such as "covid" and "Russian disinformation" as examples of other media outlets promoting misinformation, while Fox News was accurately reporting the truth (while being called "right wing conspiracy" ), and he's doing it in an effort to defend the claims that Fox News was:
Joel said :
spouting completely baseless lies (as is common place for them)

You're intentionally ignoring the point he's making and focusing on keywords such as "covid" while completely failing to make any effort to understand why he's making the reference in the first place. The reference he's making is directly related to "media credibility". But, hey, why would you even bother to try and understand his viewpoint, when you've clearly established your political bias...

You questioned my statement that:
Origin Nexus said :
people can't defend Fox against allegations that they are "lying" because that involves referring to things that are inherently political, but people can make baseless allegations against Fox because they don't need to refer to anything political to make an accusation without a basis, so the thread just becomes a political attack campaign.
Yet, here you are again, censoring the one guy on the right side of political aisle who is defending Fox against your claims... for the very reason I stated above... politics.

10-May-2023 21:42:29 - Last edited on 10-May-2023 21:51:21 by Origin Nexus

Feb

2005

Joel

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Origin Nexus said :
Have you read the hearing transcripts or watched them? Not much of the specific details aside from what the overall complaint was and then coverage here and there through the duration which would cover statements made by Murdock and then towards the backend the settlement outcome and then coverage over Fox's statement.

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Shifting gears slightly - With all due respect, this thread isn't for the discussion about moderation or any requests/warnings given here, it's hijacking the thread discussion and taking it off topic. If there's a clear problem, please use Forum Help.

Requesting that remarks not be overtly political isn't a form of bias. It's a request to follow the rules, plain and simple as pointed out in my previous post. I appreciate this thread sits on fence a little and perhaps soon enough it can be considered to have "run its course" given the settlement was weeks ago at this point, but I'm sure there's ways of defending Fox or discussing media credibility without making it overtly political.

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Shifting gears back - I think we can all agree no media outlet is perfect, they're not all terrible and they're not all good. Each have their own leanings, ways they want to tell a story. Heck, did you see Tucker Carlson say as much in his latest Twitter video? He was essentially the top dog of all the things he says the news media is guilty of doing

Does Fox lie? No, I'm sure they have truthful stories too. You could say that's a "defence" of them. When I previously said I don't understand the defence of Fox News, I'm specifically referring to this lawsuit and settlement as they themselves acknowledged wrong-doing, so how someone after that fact can challenge if there was indeed wrong-doing, I don't know. That's all I am referring to, specifically.

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11-May-2023 03:41:03

Origin Nexus

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Joel said :
Origin Nexus said :
Have you read the hearing transcripts or watched them? Not much of the specific details aside from what the overall complaint was and then coverage here and there through the duration which would cover statements made by Murdock and then towards the backend the settlement outcome and then coverage over Fox's statement. I haven't been able to locate a copy of the hearings. It's unfortunate, as I'm sure there are important details within.

Joel said :
Requesting that remarks not be overtly political isn't a form of bias. The thread topic is overtly political. Without involving politics, it's just a baseless attack and defense thread with nothing to discuss.

Joel said :
Each have their own leanings, ways they want to tell a story You can tell when something's biased because what is published won't match what has occurred in reality.

For example, what Trump said:
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We have to win the election. We can’t play games. Go out and vote. Do those beautiful absentee ballots, or just make sure your vote gets counted. Make sure because the only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that. It’s the only way we’re going to lose this election, so we have to be very careful.

What was published:
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In the months leading up to the 2020 election, President Trump drew a line in the sand: either he would win or the election would be fraudulently stolen from him.

His supporters must either agree with him or face his wrath

. In his own words: “the only way we’re gonna lose this election is if the election is rigged” and there “is massive fraud.”
That's clear and present political bias.

Even when you're attempting to present yourself as unbiased as possible, if you're biased, it will eventually leak into opinions and actions.

11-May-2023 04:11:27

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