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Bel Tiamat
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^ I looked at the page of lies... I found this one...


"Why didn't the
13 Angry
Democrats investigate the campaign of Crooked Hillary Clinton?"

THATS A LIE! ALL DEMOCRATS ARE ANGRY! ITS THEIR DEMOCRATIC PRIVELIGE!
Dear God, please send the competition, feels like there ain't any.
I long lost count of the victories, there were just far too many.

06-Feb-2020 14:13:27 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2020 14:19:07 by Bel Tiamat

Joel
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xRetardPker,

Let's clear a few things up :)

1) Politicians are known to either lie, stretch the truth and even spin things in a certain way. Trump goes above and beyond when it comes to dishonesty - He's a pathological liar, as well as many other things.

2) I'm not saying the middle class didn't benefit from Trump's tax cuts - What I said was the wealthy got a ridiculous amount of cuts with middle and working class people getting pennies when you compare.

3) Bernie is open about taxes being raised slightly even for middle class families, however the most wealthy will be impacted more. What right wing hacks do not conveniently mention is how much people will save on average through a Medicare For All system - Right wingers throw around how the plan will cost ~$30 trillion (and how can you pay for that etc etc) when in actual fact, they leave out that the current system in how much it costs the government is a lot more!

So yes, while taxes may increase slightly for the middle class, the fact they they'll no longer need to pay deductible's, co-pays etc through private insurance, overall they'll actually be making a saving. And by the way, every other advanced nation on earth gives their citizens access to free healthcare as a human right.

4) Do you know why Trump was so popular (despite not winning the popular vote but lets ignore that for now) a few years ago? Because he ran on popular ideas like draining the swamp, routing out corruption and ensuring everyone has a right to healthcare - That's popular.

In reality, he's done the exact opposite - He's corrupt to his core, he IS the swamp and he's in it for himself, not the country and right now he's fighting through the courts to cut medicare programs.

And just to wrap up, you never hear republicans asking how they're going to pay for this when it comes to war - only when it comes to things that would help every day people on a day to day basis.
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06-Feb-2020 15:42:05

Averia Light

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*rubs head*

I really wish taxes were less complicated.

The standard deduction doubled, but the exemptions were taken away. A lot of tax law that would impact "normal" people have stayed relatively the same beyond this and the child tax credit. Who this "hurts" are families with a lot of children, particularly families with only one parent and children. Who this "benefits" the most are couples with no kids. This is generally speaking, of course, and assuming more people are taking the much larger standard deduction as opposed to the itemized deductions (which were becoming a joke anyway - particularly medical with the changes from the ACA).

The child tax care credit doubled as well from 1k to 2k a child. However, you could take the exemption AND credit previously, so this means families are, generally, being taxed more with the exception of, I believe, a married couple with one child (the two higher standard deductions and child credit would be higher than the previous lower two standard deductions and 3 exemptions and 1 childcare credit) but barely.

To put it bluntly, your average "boomer" couple with no children benefits the most from the tax cuts that impact the most Americans. The younger "childless" couples also do benefit from this, but... it is hardly a secret the "boomers" are Trump's favorite.

As far as the rich, percentage wise, the brackets went down around the same for most brackets (no change to 3% difference). The thresholds increased, which means more Americans fit into lower tax brakets. As far as actual money, that is simply a matter of volume. 2% of 1 million will always be more than 2% of 100 in terms of actual dollars.

So I am not sure what exactly what is meant in some of these discussions, but I thought I'd say something. Please research and audit my findings as I specialize in other areas (like data analytics), but this is my understanding of the 2019 tax year changes.
And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

07-Feb-2020 03:47:51 - Last edited on 07-Feb-2020 04:19:35 by Averia Light

Bel Tiamat
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Archaeox said :
559cc said :
https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check


May 2018;
Donald trump: "No one would have believed it if I told them I would create 3.3m new jobs."
Dumbocrats: "that's not true. We believe u. u're a lier!"

Thanks for sharing that fact check website... instead of bumping my thread, I can just report the disgusting horrible lies pres. Donald Trump says.

Ps, considering this website keeps track of all pres. Donald Trumps lies, and I've read nothing at all about joe biden, I must conclude trump has told the truth about joe biden.

The End.
Dear God, please send the competition, feels like there ain't any.
I long lost count of the victories, there were just far too many.

07-Feb-2020 09:50:59 - Last edited on 07-Feb-2020 10:06:44 by Bel Tiamat

559cc

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Bel Tiamat said :
Archaeox said :
559cc said :
https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check


May 2018;
Donald trump: "No one would have believed it if I told them I would create 3.3m new jobs."
Dumbocrats: "that's not true. We believe u. u're a lier!"

Thanks for sharing that fact check website... instead of bumping my thread, I can just report the disgusting horrible lies pres. Donald Trump says.

Ps, considering this website keeps track of all pres. Donald Trumps lies, and I've read nothing at all about joe biden, I must conclude trump has told the truth about joe biden.

The End.


u cant debate stupid lol

10-Feb-2020 04:49:23

559cc

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Joel said :
xRetardPker,

Let's clear a few things up :)

1) Politicians are known to either lie, stretch the truth and even spin things in a certain way. Trump goes above and beyond when it comes to dishonesty - He's a pathological liar, as well as many other things.

2) I'm not saying the middle class didn't benefit from Trump's tax cuts - What I said was the wealthy got a ridiculous amount of cuts with middle and working class people getting pennies when you compare.

3) Bernie is open about taxes being raised slightly even for middle class families, however the most wealthy will be impacted more. What right wing hacks do not conveniently mention is how much people will save on average through a Medicare For All system - Right wingers throw around how the plan will cost ~$30 trillion (and how can you pay for that etc etc) when in actual fact, they leave out that the current system in how much it costs the government is a lot more!

So yes, while taxes may increase slightly for the middle class, the fact they they'll no longer need to pay deductible's, co-pays etc through private insurance, overall they'll actually be making a saving. And by the way, every other advanced nation on earth gives their citizens access to free healthcare as a human right.

4) Do you know why Trump was so popular (despite not winning the popular vote but lets ignore that for now) a few years ago? Because he ran on popular ideas like draining the swamp, routing out corruption and ensuring everyone has a right to healthcare - That's popular.

In reality, he's done the exact opposite - He's corrupt to his core, he IS the swamp and he's in it for himself, not the country and right now he's fighting through the courts to cut medicare programs.

.


why didn't Obamacare drop prices?

i cant debate people who don't know facts and just spew democratic cnn talking points

ur just using leftist talking points cause jagex is based in the u.k

10-Feb-2020 04:51:32

Bel Tiamat
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Bel Tiamat

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Jakey Boy said :
559cc said :
Are you actually trying to roleplay as your username?


He sure is...

559cc said :


Pk them big guy!
Dear God, please send the competition, feels like there ain't any.
I long lost count of the victories, there were just far too many.

10-Feb-2020 11:34:34 - Last edited on 10-Feb-2020 11:38:44 by Bel Tiamat

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