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Helios223

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Look this thread is not about whether climate change is real or not. That argument was solved 40 years ago. It is real and it is due to our actions.
If you had read beyond the title you might have noticed that.
I am trying to explain just what is being done by large chemical companies to make their processes less environmentally-damaging, not *just* because of CO2 but other pollutants as well.
~Hélios~

03-Mar-2011 22:37:31

Raistlin Maj

Raistlin Maj

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and the IPCC AR4.
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Yup. Because these IPCC (and NO*A and AWG) scientists are right about everything, even when their model fails in so many ways.
Here are some snippets from the C3headlines I referred to yesterday.
IP*C Climategate science predicts that as CO2 increase in atmosphere, the resulting warming will increase the atmosphere's water vapor levels, which will cause more warming...Unfortunately for the IPCC, that major tenet of the AGW hypothesis has not worked so well, [insert chart]
[charts documenting massive difference between real weather and NO*A predictions...ok, so it's NO*A]
To put this into greater context of CO2-based climate models' and modeller failures, recall the utter failure of recent hurricane/cyclone seasonal forecasts for their being more intense and frequent; the prediction failure of the 2010 Russian heat wave; and, the concurrent failure to predict the large Pakistan rain/flooding event.
A new peer-reviewed study by Crimmins et al. discovered that actual California mountain vegetation has been moving downslope instead of upslope on the mountain terrain in spite of global warming. The downslope movement of plants is the exact opposite as predicted by IP*C Climategate scientists and their computer models. This is more climate-change empirical evidence that is not consistent with any IP*C computer model.
[graph of temp data with slight negative trend line]
What's CET's venerable temperature record telling us as of the end of 2010? It confirms there has been no significant warming in the 15 years since 1995; actually, it instead reveals a slight cooling trend...over that time span. This record is the total opposite of what UK climate "experts" have predicted, and certainly mocks the past shrill hysteria and incompetence of the UK's ruling elites.
And MANY, MANY, more failed predictions about the extinctions of animals (i.e., many animals will do better in a warmer climate anyway), effect from gases, etc.

05-Mar-2011 03:38:28

Helios223

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I'm not engaging that as this thread is NOT about whether climate change is real or not. However can I say that you are cherry picking to the extreme. That 2004 paper by Meehl basically *proves* that it is our fault.
Instead I am demonstrating that drastic changes are taking place in the chemical industry. The fallacy that climate change is being pushed just to extract money from people is completely wrong.
These industrial changes financially affect you in no way. It is the companies which are paying for it.
~Hélios~

05-Mar-2011 20:19:43 - Last edited on 05-Mar-2011 20:51:22 by Helios223

Dynamic Hawk

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Helios, just out of curiosity, have you heard of this new idea, well, obviously not new because it has probably already been thought up, but, making clouds whiter to reflect more of the sun's light and heat back into space?
As someone who seems to know a fair amount on the said subject of global warming, how do you think this idea will impact the planet?

06-Mar-2011 16:10:27

Helios223

Helios223

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I had not heard of that strategy, actually. A bit of brief research reveals it is in a similar vein to the spraying of sulphates into the stratosphere.
Honestly these methods sound rather risky. The only real information we have about their effect is through simulations and they are not perfect. Particularly in the case of sulphate aerosols, I remember reading a review of the subject which offered 20 reasons why it would be a bad idea.
Rather than treat the symptoms like this, I think we need to concentrate on fixing the core issue. We need to keep encouraging the chemical industry to adopt these greener methods and ultimately we need to get nuclear fusion sorted as a power source.
~Hélios~

06-Mar-2011 16:21:30

Raistlin Maj

Raistlin Maj

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I have a better idea. Why don't you stop beating around the bush and man up? It's a scam. Say it to yourself in the mirror and it will get easier.
I did do research, and the only fact with empirical evidence is:
-Neither CO2 nor any other gas or chemical can cause severe weather and/or severe changes in weather.

http://***.c3headlines.***/are-liberals-destroying-sciencecivility/
For empirical proof and plenty more to chew on. This stuff has gone way too far and needs to be stopped.

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"The fallacy that climate change is being pushed just to extract money from people is completely wrong. "
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No, that's actually quite true.

06-Mar-2011 19:51:41 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2011 19:53:08 by Raistlin Maj

Helios223

Helios223

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For the third time, this thread is not about whether it exists or not. That is a done deal and a decided fact among those it matters with. Furthermore the very fact that you are citing a source which blames liberals reveals just how partisan your source is. Do some *proper* research.
It is quite infuriating that any discussion vaguely related to climate change draws out the deniers. It's almost like a Roman history professor trying to explain some intricate purpose of a particular settlement, while constantly being barraged by people saying that the Romans never existed.
Did you even read my thread past the title?
~Hélios~

06-Mar-2011 20:22:02 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2011 20:24:54 by Helios223

Raistlin Maj

Raistlin Maj

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OH, YOU'VE *GOT* TO BE KIDDING ME.
Charts and peer-reviewed papers galore! (Though I guarantee you're simply going to call them bogus) One of them even quotes these global warming scientists TRYING TO ABOLISH the peer-review method!
What's really infuriating is that scientists don't want the facts anymore, pushing their own agendas instead.
I'm looking for the facts. That's my proper research.
But whatever floats your boat.

06-Mar-2011 21:03:20

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