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Clavinet

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Climate change is real omg. The people who are looking at the data and saying no better have a dang good reason why. CO2 is rising and it's doing it much faster than it is supposed to. Sure climate change always happens with whatever is the leading force, but this time it's our fault, and it's going to change the climate in a very bad way!

Note, this doesn't mean the end up civilization, but it does mean moving tons of homes due to sea level rise and we will see a lot of resources become extremely hard to gather, which means prices will shoot up and a lot of people will die in poverty and such. It's really a mess we have to clean before it get's bad.

Due to the albedo effect, we have to start changing things before there is no way back. I love art
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10-Feb-2016 16:17:57

Averia Light

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Tbh I skimmed because I'm on break but this seems more reasonable then the 'omg all corporations are the devil and we must create absolutely insane regulations and tax them to hell and back and then get mad when they go do business elsewhere' rhetoric I keep seeing everywhere.

I'm all for reasonable changes, and I can't understand why others wouldn't be regardless of how they feel about climate change. But the keyword is definitely reasonable . And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

10-Feb-2016 18:23:59 - Last edited on 10-Feb-2016 18:38:31 by Averia Light

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The biggest issue in my mind is the fact that we're destroying the rainforests at such an alarming rate. A single, average-sized tree can absorb roughly 48 pounds of CO2 per year, and we're cutting down 1.5 acres of rainforest PER SECOND. It's bad enough that we're using up so much fossil fuels and releasing so much CO2 into the atmosphere, but the effect on the global climate is just exasperated by the fact that we're destroying so much of the planet's natural system of balance.

10-Feb-2016 18:44:36

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Agalloch said :
The biggest issue in my mind is the fact that we're destroying the rainforests at such an alarming rate. A single, average-sized tree can absorb roughly 48 pounds of CO2 per year, and we're cutting down 1.5 acres of rainforest PER SECOND. It's bad enough that we're using up so much fossil fuels and releasing so much CO2 into the atmosphere, but the effect on the global climate is just exasperated by the fact that we're destroying so much of the planet's natural system of balance.

But the demand is there for the timber. Even if a single government did hAve the power to make every lumberjack jobless, the demand for, say wood planks would be the same (or an alternative), given there is no other change in supply or demand.

Is the alternative of steel or plastic really all that much cleaner? What about the impact on the housing market? Since I would think wood, which is a major product used in housing, is cheaper than other things, will homeownership be limited to the very wealthy if a switch is made to an alternative?

I'm not really against the idea of doing something, but I am really just tired of having to choose between two extreme views. I'm also really tired of being forced on 'one side'. And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

10-Feb-2016 18:59:49 - Last edited on 10-Feb-2016 19:03:18 by Averia Light

Igerna
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Agalloch said :
The biggest issue in my mind is the fact that we're destroying the rainforests at such an alarming rate...

We're destroying earth's lungs... LITERALLY :|

Also, the desertification process has increased to nearly
38%
of the total planetary surface, more than
1/3
of the continental extension.

Aside from the obvious economic and political impacts of desertification (*cough* Syria war *cough*), the main problem is we apparently have surpassed the Planetary Carrying Capacity (PCC) since the year 1999, "... In more than
20% percent
. In other words, 20% overshoot means that it would require 1.2 earths, or one earth for 1.2 years, to regenerate what humanity used in 1999..." (Wackernagel, 2012)

Keep in mind all these effects are accumulative... so... :O
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10-Feb-2016 20:07:05 - Last edited on 10-Feb-2016 20:11:44 by Igerna

Clavinet

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Igerna said :
Agalloch said :
The biggest issue in my mind is the fact that we're destroying the rainforests at such an alarming rate...

We're destroying earth's lungs... LITERALLY....

The fact that we are consuming our resources WAY more than we are supposed to, it's basically just going to be Easter Island on a much larger scale. The entire island ended up being deforested, and it's relatively small in size. From the summit you would be able to see the entire island. So it's very likely that who ever cut down the last tree knew they were cutting it down, but they did it anyway. (Sounds a lot like what we're doing to the only home we have in the universe...)

We're already losing a ton of resources. Americans alone already produce 220 million tons of waste per year. Those are all important resources we need but we are taking it all and burying them in a hole to never be used again. 0.o

(Only a small fraction gets recycled btw by people who are living in poverty in other countries) I love art
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11-Feb-2016 12:42:48 - Last edited on 11-Feb-2016 12:43:30 by Clavinet

Oh Duck
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Averia Light said :
Whodatder 2 said :
Just keeping this thread abreast in memory of a terrific man.

What OP is not with us any more?

Unfortunately Helios left us in early 2011. He was a great person and prolific forum user in the earlier forum days, most people from that time will know how helpful and nice he was - this is his last surviving forum thread (which is a great shame since he had so many).

It's nice to see discussion still occurring.

11-Feb-2016 13:50:34

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