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Tenebri said :
NexOrigin said :


And... ummm... as per my previous post... the "according to the medical staff" doesn't really hold much weight these days, does it? I mean, the medical staff told us not to wear masks... the medical staff said masks don't work... then the medical staff demanded people wear masks...
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yes because of new evidence. when new evidence arises its best to follow it. so there is going to be things like this that happen.

when new evidence says to change, guess what its best to change. they got it wrong and corrected themselves. thats the best thing to do.

so to discredit them just because they have changed their mind is ludicrous and irrational. What new evidence? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

19-Dec-2020 17:24:06

Tenebri said :
NexOrigin said :
Tenebri said :
NexOrigin said :


And... ummm... as per my previous post... the "according to the medical staff" doesn't really hold much weight these days, does it? I mean, the medical staff told us not to wear masks... the medical staff said masks don't work... then the medical staff demanded people wear masks...
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yes because of new evidence. when new evidence arises its best to follow it. so there is going to be things like this that happen.

when new evidence says to change, guess what its best to change. they got it wrong and corrected themselves. thats the best thing to do.

so to discredit them just because they have changed their mind is ludicrous and irrational. What new evidence?

the whole entirety of how masks actually work.... thats the evidence lmao
Okay, show me that new evidence. Show me that masks work differently in 2020, than they did in 2000. Show me the "new evidence" that changes "the whole entirety of how masks actually work".

Show me. Teach me. Educate me.

Tenebri said :
are you an anti masker? I'm pro-logic.

Show me the "new evidence" that changes "the whole entirety of how masks actually work", and if it's logical, I'll agree with you.

If it's not logical, or you can't actually provide the evidence, then I'm not going to agree with you. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

19-Dec-2020 17:46:25

19-Dec-2020 17:51:46 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2020 17:52:02 by Icy Spring

Icy Spring said :
Ok bro. Here's a CDC link with 45 sources backing up the science of mask wearing to reduce COVID-19 transmission.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html Okay, and you've taken the time to read the article, and then check all 45 citations, right? I mean, you're not just posting this here without actually verifying the information, are you?


EDIT: Where in this article is the "new evidence"? You know, the evidence that apparently changed the scientific community's opinion from that of "masks don't stop the spread" to "masks do stop the spread"?

I don't see it anywhere. I mean, sure, they're listing off all kinds of information, but that's all information that was previously known.

I'm looking for the "new evidence" that was claimed by Tenebri. Can you point me to that? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

19-Dec-2020 17:59:16 - Last edited on 19-Dec-2020 18:52:04 by NexOrigin

Tenebri said :
you talk about "new" evidence when its not really new anymore. before they said dont wear a mask due to the unknown about the virus, now they have a clearer understanding on how the virus spreads etc, its obvious that a mask would help But, there wasn't an "unknown" about the virus. The very first doctor who discovered that 8 of his patients had an infection, stated that it was a SARS infection. He was then arrested for "fearmongering".

We knew from day 1 that it was a SARS virus. There wasn't any confusion in the scientific community about how the virus was spreading. It was the CDC that started spreading doubt over the virus by claiming there was no human-to-human transmission, when we already knew in China that it was spreading from person to person. Scientists were already working on a vaccine when the CDC claimed that it didn't spread human-to-human.

The CDC, which you're referring to, was telling people there was no human-to-human contact midway through January, and the SG was telling people at the end February to not wear masks because they don't help.

So, if at that time, it was believed that masks wouldn't help stop the spread of the virus, then why were literally billions and billions of masks being sent to China from America, Canada, and other Western countries?

But then suddenly a month later... there was new evidence that masks would stop the spread of the virus?

This is the narrative you're presenting.

You're willingly ignoring the science and the evidence that was present and was being shared by the scientific community at the onset of the outbreak.



Tenebri said :
so you are an anti masker. thats fantastic to know lmao. Are you asking me? Or telling me?

Like, why ask what I believe, if you're just going to ignore what I've said, and then tell me what I believe? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

19-Dec-2020 18:14:50

Tenebri said :
however im unsure how you think masks work to know what im dealing with here. just that you are an anti masker, Again, you're not listening to what I believe, you're telling me what I believe.

You need to stop telling me what I think, and start listening to what I think.

Tenebri said :
but this video is clear on how they stop the spread of of droplets coming from mouth, and different types of masks.

https://youtu.be/DNeYfUTA11s Right, okay... except, what you don't see in that video is the vast majority of moisture that is being exhaled every time you breathe. Sure, you can see those droplets, but, you can't see the rest of the moisture. The aerosolized vapor. You know, the other mode of transmission for SARS-2?

I came across this image:


Notice how much aerosolized vapor is being expelled?

The ironic thing about this image is the caption, because the caption claims that wearing a mask stops the respiratory droplets. Which it does. But, what it doesn't do is stop the aerosolized vapors. They're incorrectly claiming that the aerosolized vapor is "respiratory droplets".

So while masks do stop respiratory droplets, which are means of spreading the virus, they don't stop the aerosolized vapor. (we're talking standard cloth masks and surgical masks).

Almost everyone in Canada knows this. We deal with it every year, when it gets cold out, and everything freezes, and you've gotta wear a facemask just to stay warm. You can see the vapor goes right through any mask or facewarmer you wear.

And... don't forget... even when you can see your breath in the cold... the virus doesn't stop travelling at the distance at which you stop being able to see your breath. The virus vapor can stay in the air hours floating on air currents. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

19-Dec-2020 18:35:17