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Joel
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Because the rates I mentioned have started to drop.. Why are they dropping? Is it because they're only testing 1/3 of the people they were previously? Is it because of the data migration?
Knowing why the numbers have changed is more important than just knowing the numbers have changed.
Joel said :
You used that link to somehow prove people were being snatched from their homes because “they’re coming for you” when all it proved was, a gathering which was against government guidelines was broken up and those found to be at the address were fined. Your claim was:
Joel said :
Nobody is snatching people from homes to do this against their will. Now, I addressed that point. I agreed that they weren't snatching people up from their homes to bring them to quarantine facilities:
NexOrigin said :
Joel said :
Nobody is snatching people from homes to do this against their will. No, of course not, because you're allowed to quarantine inside your home, legally. But, they will come to your house, and issue you fines for thousands of dollars for not going to the quarantine hotel. Then you circled BACK to this again:
Joel said :
As it stands, there's no evidence to suggest anybody is going to get snatched from their homes, or that the powers that be are 'coming for you' anymore than they would in normal times, should someone choose to break the law. So I explicitly cited an example of the police visiting a person's home to issue fines and make arrests.
And now you're claiming that I'M misrepresenting the situation.
You keep circling back to the same statement, and then claim:
Joel said :
And at this point, round and round we go... As though I'M the one circling back. LOL I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Because the rates I mentioned have started to drop.. Why are they dropping? Is it because they're only testing 1/3 of the people they were previously? Is it because of the data migration?
Knowing why the numbers have changed is more important than just knowing the numbers have changed.
Joel said :
You used that link to somehow prove people were being snatched from their homes because “they’re coming for you” when all it proved was, a gathering which was against government guidelines was broken up and those found to be at the address were fined. Your claim was:
Joel said :
Nobody is snatching people from homes to do this against their will. Now, I addressed that point. I agreed that they weren't snatching people up from their homes to bring them to quarantine facilities:
NexOrigin said :
Joel said :
Nobody is snatching people from homes to do this against their will. No, of course not, because you're allowed to quarantine inside your home, legally. But, they will come to your house, and issue you fines for thousands of dollars for not going to the quarantine hotel. Then you circled BACK to this again:
Joel said :
As it stands, there's no evidence to suggest anybody is going to get snatched from their homes, or that the powers that be are 'coming for you' anymore than they would in normal times, should someone choose to break the law. So I explicitly cited an example of the police visiting a person's home to issue fines and make arrests.
And now you're claiming that I'M misrepresenting the situation.
You keep circling back to the same statement, and then claim:
Joel said :
And at this point, round and round we go... As though I'M the one circling back. LOL I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
23-Feb-2021 22:03:06
Trying to discuss this with you is useless, Joel.
You don't listen to what I'm saying, you keep circling back to the same point that I've already addressed, and then you're alleging that I'm doing things that you're specifically doing yourself.
You're quick to claim I'm speculating (because you don't bother to ask for citations), but, have no issues making your own speculations.
And then when you realize that I'm not going to agree with your point, you try and imply that you will moderate my speech as some sort of an attempt to force your opinion on me.
LOL.
I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
You don't listen to what I'm saying, you keep circling back to the same point that I've already addressed, and then you're alleging that I'm doing things that you're specifically doing yourself.
You're quick to claim I'm speculating (because you don't bother to ask for citations), but, have no issues making your own speculations.
And then when you realize that I'm not going to agree with your point, you try and imply that you will moderate my speech as some sort of an attempt to force your opinion on me.
LOL.
I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
23-Feb-2021 22:10:44
Joel
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Why Ontario hospitals are full to bursting, despite few COVID-19 patients
Joel said :
An article from back in January when we were actually still in a provincial lockdown, giving you more context of ICU capacity at that time. An article from back in November before the winter "spike" in cases, showing that covid ICU cases had no real bearing on the capacity of the hospitals.
This idea of "oh, we have to lock down because the number of ICU cases is high" isn't accurate. It's minimal. The hospitals aren't overflowing with covid patients. They never really have been. They're just full because that's how Canada's socialized healthcare works. It's free, but everyone is using it, so it's slow, and it's always at a high capacity. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-s-icus-will-reach-capacity-by-late-january-as-pandemic-continues-to-worsen-top-doctor-says-1.5271345
Why Ontario hospitals are full to bursting, despite few COVID-19 patients
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-hospital-occupancy-covid-19-hallway-healthcare-1.5784075
Joel said :
An article from back in January when we were actually still in a provincial lockdown, giving you more context of ICU capacity at that time. An article from back in November before the winter "spike" in cases, showing that covid ICU cases had no real bearing on the capacity of the hospitals.
This idea of "oh, we have to lock down because the number of ICU cases is high" isn't accurate. It's minimal. The hospitals aren't overflowing with covid patients. They never really have been. They're just full because that's how Canada's socialized healthcare works. It's free, but everyone is using it, so it's slow, and it's always at a high capacity. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
23-Feb-2021 22:18:22
Who else is excited for the new covid bracelets?
Ontario premier defends spending $2.5 million on bracelets that beep if users get too close
Joel said :
And does every hospital in Ontario have ICUs? If so, do they have the same capacity? I doubt it.
Original message details are unavailable.
Hospitals across the province have taken steps to make more beds available for COVID-19 patients in every region of the province. As a result, Ontario has a total of 20,354 acute care beds with a potential for an additional 4,205 more acute care beds by April 30, 2020. Of Ontario's 3,504 critical care beds, 2,811 are now equipped with ventilators, up from 1,319 when the outbreak first started.
The capacity is there. It always has been. And the capacity can be increased quite easily if need be. This isn't rocket science. You don't need to lockdown businesses and people to ensure that the ICU admissions aren't overwhelming. You just need to throw some money at the issue. You add more beds by buying more beds. You add more ventilators by buying more ventilators. You just buy the equipment and hire the people you need. This is common sense.
Instead, they're locking down the population and throwing millions of dollars at beepy bracelets. How many ICU beds could those millions of dollars have provided instead of wasting it on R&D for beepy bracelets? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Ontario premier defends spending $2.5 million on bracelets that beep if users get too close
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-premier-defends-spending-2-5-million-on-bracelets-that-beep-if-users-get-too-close-1.5319436
Joel said :
And does every hospital in Ontario have ICUs? If so, do they have the same capacity? I doubt it.
Original message details are unavailable.
Hospitals across the province have taken steps to make more beds available for COVID-19 patients in every region of the province. As a result, Ontario has a total of 20,354 acute care beds with a potential for an additional 4,205 more acute care beds by April 30, 2020. Of Ontario's 3,504 critical care beds, 2,811 are now equipped with ventilators, up from 1,319 when the outbreak first started.
https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/56688/ontario-significantly-expands-hospital-capacity-to-prepare-for-any-covid-19-outbreak-scenario
The capacity is there. It always has been. And the capacity can be increased quite easily if need be. This isn't rocket science. You don't need to lockdown businesses and people to ensure that the ICU admissions aren't overwhelming. You just need to throw some money at the issue. You add more beds by buying more beds. You add more ventilators by buying more ventilators. You just buy the equipment and hire the people you need. This is common sense.
Instead, they're locking down the population and throwing millions of dollars at beepy bracelets. How many ICU beds could those millions of dollars have provided instead of wasting it on R&D for beepy bracelets? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
23-Feb-2021 22:34:34 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2021 00:30:18 by NexOrigin
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