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New Coronavirus 'will have infected hundreds
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51148303

" Instead they say the virus has crossed the species barrier and come from infected animals at a seafood and wildlife market in Wuhan . "
FiFi LaFeles said :

Let's get real here. You ain't got a leg to stand on. No provable facts nor figures - just your misbegotten, stubborn opinion that you ain't gonna wear a mask because you're alright, Jack, and if others die then too bad.
When does the mask wearing stop?

Answer, when a vaccine becomes available.

If the virus did come from animal products, what's there to stop another virus emerging six months down the track?

Answer, there isn't. Perhaps just continue to wear a mask forever & wait for another vaccine?

Better yet for a virus currently that has a 0.2% death rate & let's take into account that these deaths are from any deaths related to Covid, even if the person was terminally ill, as long as they had Covid at their point of death, it's considered a Covid death.

Below is your acknowledgement of the 0.2% death rate, not the second part of the statement above, howbeit you're free to do your own research on that.
FiFi LaFeles said :

I wear a mask in the hopes that I might help to avoid being in the unfortunate 0.2% or the "lucky" whatever percent who get it, don't die, but suffer ongoing and sometimes debilitating ailments.

So back to the main point of what happens if another virus emerges from animals in the next six months & possibly continues therefor after each six months, what do we do?

At what point do we either let herd immunity take its natural course as it's done since the beginning of time, or do we simply stop consumption of all animal products & make all animals on land & possibly sea go extinct to preserve 0.2% of the population?

We can't just keep taking vaccines every six months. Another renegade Rat-Lord from the Master pond of scum.

27-Sep-2020 16:28:27 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2020 16:30:57 by Inspire you

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@Inspire you,

You're right, we'll likely be wearing masks until a vaccine becomes available and is widely distributed that would achieve the sort of 'herd immunity' we need in order to kill further spread of this virus in a way that doesn't throw the most vulnerable under the bus, to roll the dice to see if they live or die.

You might be that selfish and heartless but thankfully you're not a person in a position of power in charge of policy and responsible for the lives of EVERYONE, not just those who are young, fit and healthy.

Ultimately, there's nothing stopping another pandemic from happening, it most certainly will which is why advanced action and preparation for this sort of thing is critical including for other things that threaten us (e.g climate change). This could be something like not doing things that makes it increasingly likely to allow such viruses to become harmful to us. As an example, if there's conclusive evidence that wet markets and their conditions contributed to allowing this virus to get to the point where it could affect us in the way this virus has, perhaps we shouldn't allow such markets? Not to mention the welfare and animal cruelty aspect of it all.

As of right now, this virus is not done. We still have active cases and we continue to see community spread and increasing cases, so you can continue repeating the 0.2% death rate figure, but lets not forget this differs vastly country to country and the data is still ONGOING. For example, at the time of this post, the UK case fatality rate is 9.7%. I've noticed this going down, but its shockingly high other countries too!

Science advances all the time and the more funding we have collectively worldwide to study such viruses, perhaps in future we can be better prepared at identifying, tracking and tracing new viruses to catch it early before it blows out of control, or our vaccine development gets better as this process seems to be (so far) compared to prior to this.
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28-Sep-2020 02:43:49

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Either way, there's so many different ways in which countries can do more to be better prepared than just say, to hell with improvement & advancement and just throw those most vulnerable into the line of fire and not do a damn thing to try and minimize loss of life and protect as many people as we can, and that goes for EVERYTHING!

It's why safety standards for workplaces, driving and so many other examples are now much more advanced than decades ago.

So, do the people in your community a favour as they are doing for you, wear a mask when it is LEGALLY mandated to do so, practice social distancing and take greater care especially when indoors & enclosed spaces.

Perhaps masks and distancing are the very things that could help us not have to go back into tougher lockdowns, the very thing you hate so much, but seem to refuse to do the very thing that could help prevent that...
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28-Sep-2020 02:43:56

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"At what point do we either let herd immunity take its natural course as it's done since the beginning of time, or do we simply stop consumption of all animal products & make all animals on land & possibly sea go extinct to preserve 0.2% of the population?"

I'm happy to wear a face mask. It is a simple inconvenience to me, but if it helps reduce the spread of CO-VID19 and potentially protects someone who could potentially die from the virus...so be it.

Many countries have vaccines in stage 3, and the results are looking promising. I do think that CO-VID19 is going to forever change many aspects of life for our generation. I think the "new normal" is developing, and people will be alot more intentional about cleanliness and sanitation. I think business travel will incorporate alot of teleconferencing now, especially looking at how it can save institutions and companies a great amount of money.

If we are able to go back to "normal", great! I don't see this realistically happening either, and I don't think we should let herd immunity run its course as not taking preventive measures and encouraging society as a whole to continue to take these measures would result in countless unnecessary deaths if folks just went back to "living as normal". At the end of the day, it isn't about one individual specifically. It is about protecting the most vulnerable, and those of us who are fortunate to be young and healthy need to take the necessary precautions to protect those at-risk.
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28-Sep-2020 04:01:46

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Joel said :
As of right now, this virus is not done. We still have active cases and we continue to see community spread and increasing cases, so you can continue repeating the 0.2% death rate figure, but lets not forget this differs vastly country to country and the data is still ONGOING. For example, at the time of this post, the UK case fatality rate is 9.7%. I've noticed this going down, but its shockingly high other countries too! You should be somewhat careful bandying these numbers around.
They are rarely what they seem to be.
The fatality rate, by definition, is the number of people that contracted it, divided by the number of people that subsequently died from it.
The first number is effectively unknowable (although an educated guess is possible) because of the set of people that caught it and weren't tested for one reason or another.
This is widely thought to be significantly larger than the number of people that tested positive.
The second number is easier to derive but the error bars are still significant.

The truth is that all of these numbers should be treated with scepticism.
In truth your 9% is the result of dividing a number that is known to be wrong by a number that is - erm - less wrong.
The consensus for 'actual fatality rate' seems to be slightly higher than the 0.2% that has been commonly quoted here. I am seeing 0.4% quite a lot atm. But again, that is based on educated guesses.

Nevertheless, the use of numbers in this misleading way is one of the things that makes this more controversial than it need be: "Why should I believe him if he is so cavalier with stats?"

28-Sep-2020 08:22:11 - Last edited on 28-Sep-2020 08:23:49 by Stoat King

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Stoat King,

The point I was trying to make, which you've just driven home fairly well is, this isn't over and is still ongoing so these percentages are still moving up and down and the data is still coming in.

So yes, we can have educated guesses as to what the more exact numbers are for the given metrics, but as a certain individual here has seemed to repeatedly do is repeat 0.2% as a conclusive, concrete and finalized figure when it just isn't - in an attempt to justify allowing a lot of people to die, to not wear a mask and go against public health advice which is not acceptable.
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28-Sep-2020 14:26:15

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The thing I don't get about the masks 'controversy' is how mild an irritation it is to wear one.
Does it even count as an irritation? Not sure. Definitely doesn't qualify as an annoyance.

For me, more irritating than the business of wearing it are:
A) Have I got it on right?
B) Why does it smell of an ashtray with chicken wings in it?

I struggle to think of a fight I could pick that is less meaningful. I certainly cant imagine the muddle of thought that ends in 'this is the hill i'm gonna die on'

If I'm honest, the reason I wear a mask is not to do with public health or anything like that - its because its just not worth thinking about, let alone arguing about.
Want me to wear a mask to enter a shop? Why not. Who cares.

28-Sep-2020 14:49:38

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Stoat King said :
The thing I don't get about the masks 'controversy' is how mild an irritation it is to wear one.
Does it even count as an irritation? Not sure. Definitely doesn't qualify as an annoyance.

For me, more irritating than the business of wearing it are:
A) Have I got it on right?
B) Why does it smell of an ashtray with chicken wings in it?

I struggle to think of a fight I could pick that is less meaningful. I certainly cant imagine the muddle of thought that ends in 'this is the hill i'm gonna die on'

If I'm honest, the reason I wear a mask is not to do with public health or anything like that - its because its just not worth thinking about, let alone arguing about.
Want me to wear a mask to enter a shop? Why not. Who cares.

100%

its why i keep repeating the people against it. are just being selfish.
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28-Sep-2020 15:30:33

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Stoat King said :

For me, more irritating than the business of wearing it are:
A) Have I got it on right?
Might be a good thing if you don't, breathing in too much carbon dioxide isn't a good thing.
Stoat King said :

B) Why does it smell of an ashtray with chicken wings in it?
If you have to wear one, perhaps carry eight & change them per hour.

Pleurisy might occur. Another renegade Rat-Lord from the Master pond of scum.

29-Sep-2020 03:48:08

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