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07-Oct-2017 04:05:12

Raleirosen

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Jesse B77 said :
I feel as though there was a characterization of no voters as the bad guys, as though a no vote was inherently wrong or the incorrect choice, and that people who held that opinion were being shamed for the way they felt. On top of this, although I lean progressive, I'm acutely aware of the dangers of unchecked progressivism and social upheaval such as we've seen in the US. To that end, although I hope the vote is passed and the LGBT crowd get full marriage rights, I felt it was important to provide a dissenting voice to make the government see that universal social change is not acceptable. Jesus Christ... you didn't like how the debate wasn't centered on the issue, so you cast your vote for a reason that had nothing to do with the issue? Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

07-Oct-2017 04:32:21

Jesse B77

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This is Australia after all, we've voted for less important reasons that that, considering we don't have a choice.

The fact of the matter is that no political issue is ever so isolated that you are voting on just that one thing, your also voting on the fallout. The inherent problem with democracy is that the first job of politicians is to get elected, and the second to represent the people that will elect them. When we make monumental decisions like this, we show them which direction the wind of society is blowing, and that alters the type of policy that will be tabled for consideration in the future.

Like I said, given the rhetoric surrounding the voting options, I expect the yes vote to win by a landslide. The problem with that is that the pollies are going to interpret that as a general shift in the political spectrum towards progressive politics and that runs the risk of them being more open to the tabling and passing of far more radical laws with less consideration and challenge in future because to their eye that it what the public wants.

I do NOT want this country to end up like Sweden. There are a number of progressive policies I am not in favor of and do not want on the table, that's why I voted that way.

07-Oct-2017 05:13:44 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2017 05:18:27 by Jesse B77

Raleirosen

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Jesse B77 said :
Like I said, given the rhetoric surrounding the voting options, I expect the yes vote to win by a landslide.

But seriously, if you think your vote is capable of all that in Australia then fair enough. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

07-Oct-2017 06:09:25 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2017 06:10:42 by Raleirosen

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07-Oct-2017 06:10:21

Raleirosen

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Jesse B77 said :
Not sure what your trying to say... America recently experienced an election where the surrounding rhetoric guaranteed a landslide victory for a certain candidate. It didn't pan out.

Brexit would be another example of that kind of overconfidence influencing votes and producing an unexpected result. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

07-Oct-2017 06:27:26 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2017 06:28:55 by Raleirosen

Jesse B77

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The key difference is the source of the aforementioned rhetoric though. The pro-Hillary and Anti-brexit sentiment was primarily concentrated to media bias without much evidence of the opinions of the general public, at least that I saw. This time around the majority of the bias seems to be coming directly from the community, people who normally don't give two tosses about politics are weighing in, primarily in favor, and so far the media seem's mostly to be staying out it (don't quote me on that, I don't watch TV) so the landscape looks quite different to me.

Obviously, I cant account for a potential silent majority, but nobody can. Bearing in mind that I voted against my best interests, I wouldn't have done so unless I was relatively sure we weren't going to get that sort of upset.

07-Oct-2017 06:37:43 - Last edited on 07-Oct-2017 06:48:01 by Jesse B77

Dave Jay
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• Share your experiences dealing with, encountering, or witnessing discrimination against LGBT persons.
I've never seen it happen irl, but have witnessed on the TV, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

• What is your country/society's attitudes towards the LGBT community?
Nobody cares.

• What are your opinions on Gay Marriage? Is it legal in your country?
I'm against religious gay marriage, pro civil union, same rights.
Gay marriage is not illegal in my country BUT, Muslims, Jews, Sihks and Catholics won't perform the ceremony and if you tried to force them, they would literally murder you.

• What is something you wish society could understand about LGBT?
Transgenderism is a mental illness, homosexuality is a choice.

• Do you believe that homosexuality is caused by genetics or environmental factors?
No.

• Is there an adequate representation of LGBT in the media (including gaming industries)?
IDC

• What're your views on gender-neutral bathrooms?
Against

• What're your current opinions on the human rights violations against LGBT persons around the world (such as the death penalty for homosexuality)?
We need a basic standard of human rights for all people, in all countries. Singling out LGBT 'rights' as different from everyone's rights, sort of misses the point of human rights, imho.

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