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Brigantia

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There goes Jeremy Clarkson trending on Twitter for being Jeremy Clarkson.

LOL
Arrr! Only th' Devil an' I know th' where'bouts o' me treasure, an' th' one o' us who lives th' longes' should take i' all.


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18-Jan-2021 13:06:06

Averia Light

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Megycal said :
FiFi LaFeles said :
I used to think that too, when I was a youngster :)
It seemed so very far away and all I could see were the years and years stretching out ahead of me while I worked like a donkey to keep the wheels on the wagon.

But, here I am, and in two months time I'll be getting my State Pension. Awsumsauce.
Always assuming Covid don't get me first.


I've got a bit over a year to wait for my state pension but I've been getting my work related pension since I was 60 ( I worked in the NHS for about 14 years ). Its not a lot but it all helps.
I gave up work when I had our eldest because after childcare and travel costs we'd have had very little extra income. We live over 100 miles away from family so there were no grandparents or other relatives to help with looking after a little'un. Turned out to be the best choice because oh boy! did he need a lot of attention! As a baby he had 3 month colic and turned me into a sleep deprived "zombie". :P As a toddler he wasn't naughty but needed a lot of stimulating play.
Then a few years later, just before eldest started school, along came son # 2. He was a bit easier but he was often poorly and I'd even sleep on the floor beside his cot to keep an eye on him. He joined in with almost everything we did with his older brother. Once he started school he was still ill fairly often, nothing serious but enough for him to need time off. The children certainly kept me busy.
I never returned to my old job ( I'd have had to refresh my skills and reregister ) but when my husband became self employed I became his part time clerical assistant. I still look after his work records and he says he can't ever retire because he needs to keep me in craft materials. Lol. :)


Haha there is a reason why I am a one and done parent and that is colic. Plus mine was up every 45 minutes day and night for 3 straight months with 0 support.
And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

18-Jan-2021 14:55:11

Averia Light

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Brigantia said :
FiFi LaFeles said :
You probably will and you'll be glad you did ^_^


No.


It is a smart choice to not have kids imho. I definitely had a childfree mindset right up until 26 then I gave it a year where we would try and of we had a kid, cool, and if we didn't, that is cool as well. There were a lot of reasons for this which ranged from both of us finally having a stable career to societal pressure to marital guilt etc... etc...

But I lost my fast track career (I worked in multibillion/multitrillion dollar companies with upward mobility) and now I am in a local multimillion company with not a lot of upward mobility - but it is 5 minutes away and I am in the middle of negotiating part time because mine is approaching school age and about 90% of parenting falls on me due to my husband's demanding career.

Unfortunately, we just still live in a society where most the parenting falls squarely on females and I am no exception. There was and is a huge societal shift away from it and there are definitely pockets where it is more even, but the pandemic really highlighted this as women left the workplace in massive numbers for childcare purposes. I was also almost one of those females.

So I totally get the childfree lifestyle. Chances are ypu are going to take a hit in a major area of your life on top of the additional responsibility and huge life change. I actually wish more people would talk about this.
And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

18-Jan-2021 15:05:43 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2021 15:06:35 by Averia Light

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Averia Light said :
But I lost my fast track career (I worked in multibillion/multitrillion dollar companies with upward mobility) and now I am in a local multimillion company with not a lot of upward mobility - but it is 5 minutes away and I am in the middle of negotiating part time because mine is approaching school age and about 90% of parenting falls on me due to my husband's demanding career.

Unfortunately, we just still live in a society where most the parenting falls squarely on females and I am no exception. There was and is a huge societal shift away from it and there are definitely pockets where it is more even, but the pandemic really highlighted this as women left the workplace in massive numbers for childcare purposes. I was also almost one of those females.


I deliberately took a much easier, less well paying job working from home so that I could do about 50% of the parenting. I could leave work, pick them up from school etc etc.
I'm glad that I did.
Even now I could easily earn 10x what I do - but only if I moved far away. And without a pandemic lol.
But I couldn't justify moving away from my kids.

18-Jan-2021 15:14:08

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Yeah... I am in the same boat. I could definitely drive 20+ minutes away and work 60+ hour weeks and hop right back on that fast track, but I just can't. I also negotiated for another week of vacation instead of more pay. If my company doesn't give me full time, however, I will be jumping on that remote work bandwagon.

I don't blame my husband for taking his career opportunity as he makes a lot of money (double me, sometimes triple depending on overtime), but yeah it is just me most days. He is a great dad when he isn't working and he does his best with chores - there is just a lot to do. We plan on paying off our house ASAP (only 60k left after 3 years) and switching to decently paying but far more family friendly jobs - we just have to get there first.

Funny how kids change your prirorities, eh? How many you got?

Edit: I also should not have been so one sided, because although I was talking to a female, the males also get pressure like you said - to provide. You guys have to make a choice as well - do you take on part of the parenting responsibility and take a hit to relieve your partner or you do "lean in" to get more money and be even more financially stable? It may be different, but it is still a hard choice.

I wish it was different and the work and pressures were more evenly distributed, but for many, the old prevailing views are still very much present.
And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

18-Jan-2021 15:20:38 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2021 15:25:42 by Averia Light

Brigantia

Brigantia

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Kids are just not in the cards for me. I mean, I get baby fever on occasion sure, but more in an aunt way. I'd love to get properly sterilized so I don't have to worry about it at all.

Kids are a lot of work, they're a lot of time, and more emotional effort than I'm capable of putting forth. I like that I can live life my way rather than having to put the kids first. I like being a bit more carefree in my lifestyle.

I'm not judging anyone who chooses to have kids, but I feel like we as a society really need to step away from the mentality that motherhood is inevitable rather than optional. I didn't even know I had a choice in the matter until I was about 19, though I'd always thought I never really wanted children. But of course, that's ridiculous and I definitely NEED to have kids, or so most adults in my life would say.

Anyway, I appreciate the amount of work that goes into kids. You guys are everyday heroes when it comes to raising kids, I know it isn't easy.

And as a former kid, I definitely understand the amount of stress my mother was in because even as an adult I have NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING .
Arrr! Only th' Devil an' I know th' where'bouts o' me treasure, an' th' one o' us who lives th' longes' should take i' all.


@CapnBrigantia

18-Jan-2021 15:53:44 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2021 15:54:47 by Brigantia

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Also, just because I obviously have a moment - how you quote to locked threads is as follows:

Highlight the desired post. I will use Brig's above just so everyone can do it.

Copy and paste the Web Address

https://secure.runescape.com/m=forum/c=ZoqEKufQJnU/forums?
23,24,312,63626936
,escalate,
24076
,
346215427


So, just as an aside, the numbers in the address should look familiar, and it is because it is the identification for the subforum and I think the thread, but I can't remember off the top of my head.
23-24-312-63626936


Now onto the fun part - Frankensteining the quote. The easiest way to do it is to simply quote a post that isn't locked to get the proper set up - but you can do it however you want.

(quote id=
23-24-312-63626936
-
24076
-
346215427
) Kids (/quote)

The above is Brig's quote with the brackets substituted for parenthesis.

NOW. How to get all of it to come together is just by replacing the variables. I have color coded where each part of the highlighted web address will fall into the quoting code template.

Edit: for funsies, the green is the post number in the thread and the purple is actually the post number in all the forums. In other words, it is the 346215427th post on the forums if I recall correctly. I could be wrong, though, and if someone could correct me, that would be cool.
And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

18-Jan-2021 16:02:13 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2021 16:26:36 by Averia Light

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Brigantia said :
Kids are just not in the cards for me. I mean, I get baby fever on occasion sure, but more in an aunt way. I'd love to get properly sterilized so I don't have to worry about it at all.

Kids are a lot of work, they're a lot of time, and more emotional effort than I'm capable of putting forth. I like that I can live life my way rather than having to put the kids first. I like being a bit more carefree in my lifestyle.

I'm not judging anyone who chooses to have kids, but I feel like we as a society really need to step away from the mentality that motherhood is inevitable rather than optional. I didn't even know I had a choice in the matter until I was about 19, though I'd always thought I never really wanted children. But of course, that's ridiculous and I definitely NEED to have kids, or so most adults in my life would say.

Anyway, I appreciate the amount of work that goes into kids. You guys are everyday heroes when it comes to raising kids, I know it isn't easy.

And as a former kid, I definitely understand the amount of stress my mother was in because even as an adult I have NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING .


It should be optional, you are absolutely correct. And, your objections to parenthood are not only valid, but also true. You do absolutely have to give up a huge part of yourself to do it at all and and even bigger part of yourself to do it well. Routines, schedules, activities, outdoor time, what you have in the house for food, being a good role model, etc... etc... And, it sucks.
And I swear I'm not going to let her know all the pain I have known

18-Jan-2021 16:23:23

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