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MangaFreak
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Jesse B77 said :
*h, it's mainstream enough in the west, in Japan it couldn't get any more mainstream than One Piece. Either way, It's easier to just toss pretty much everything that runs in Jump into the same basket since they all pretty much use the same tropes and plot development, just change up the theme.

The issue is more with the anime than with the manga though, since manga requires at least some degree of induction into anime as a wider thing. See, objectively speaking Naruto and Bleach and the like aren't all that good, falling somewhere between mediocre and bad, but they endure in the collective fandom due to an excess of exposure.

People get stuck in this hole, watching only those and stay (often selectively) ignorant of anime as a wider thing, and have gone so far in the past to look down on wider anime as inferior to a series which is in actuality formulaic and not that great. It's not hard to understand where a militant 'anti-shonen' agenda can crop up.

yes, but if you've ever read bakuman you'd know that it's not exactly easy coming up with new ideas that are completely different than any other manga out there. one piece to you may be mainstream but to me it's an 'oldy but a goody'. it's been out for 16 years now and yet you seem to think it's not worth reading or watching. i will admit, 4kids slaughtered it and many other animes but it's still a great manga. (i like funimation more tbh) but why cant we all just like whatever anime/manga we wanna like? :c

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12-Feb-2014 23:06:19

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Ah right, ANN doesn't actually use the word 'more', so I assumed they where just taking a new team to the same content. I'm surprised they haven't covered the whole thing already considering it's length and the means of production they used (seriously, who's ever heard of an OVA that long?)


@Jiriya89: I saw like... half of bakuman. I dont disagree fully, they say that it's hard to come up with new content when the rest of the world is drawing from the pool of creativity at the same time, but I cant really apply this rule to Shonen. Especially true of Jump properties becasue of just how linear their trope set is and, as somewhat of a writer myself I know full well that you can go far, far beyond rehashing tropes. Making a Jump series is basically painting by numbers.

But it's true, I DONT think its worth reading or watching, any more so than I would say the same for any other mediocre anime, it just happens to be mediocrity that in the time I could watch it I could have blown through 30 other series of the same quality or better.

I'm not in the 'I'm to good to watch this' camp and written it off immediately, in actuality I have both tried and tried to like all of the 'Big 3', and my experienced with them as an anime fan who entered through the back door so to speak where not good. Experiences as follow:

OP: the ones I've seen the most of becasue I watched it on TV back in 'the day' when Toonami was a thing. Tried to get back into it at some point and made it as far as when they meet Usop before losing interest.

Bleach: Actually tried to get into this to becasue a friend likes it, even bought a subscription to CrunchyRoll to watch it. Made it 3 episodes, saw that nothing of interest was occurring, stopped.

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Naruto: The only one I never actually tried to watch and only ended up doing so becasue I bought an opening night ticket to a convention, which always includes a movie and a Naruto movie was what they where playing. I half enjoyed it, I guess, up until around then end where it started getting all stupid and self-sacrificial and preachy and started just ramming the shonen message down my throat, at which point I just packed up and decided to beat the crowds to the train.

But yeah, enough about that. The point is that people can like what they want to like and I dont really care that much, but when they tout this narrow band of shonen series as the best things ever and wont expand beyond that then it just kind of gets annoying. Or, to put it some way that I saw on something else I cant recall once 'there's anime fans, and then there's (insert show here) fans'. There's nothing worse than coming to an open forum like this which is free of the policing and elitism that some anime forums carry (lookin' at you ANN) wanting to discuss the season in progress, and seeing nothing but Jump.

Also, cosplayers, or should I say 'cosplayers'. Seriously guys, a Naruto headband and lines on your face does not make you awesome, nor does being the 50 millionth Kakashi.

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Jesse B77 said :
Ah right, ANN doesn't actually use the word 'more', so I assumed they where just taking a new team to the same content. I'm surprised they haven't covered the whole thing already considering it's length and the means of production they used (seriously, who's ever heard of an OVA that long?)


@Jiriya89: I saw like... half of bakuman. I dont disagree fully, they say that it's hard to come up with new content when the rest of the world is drawing from the pool of creativity at the same time, but I cant really apply this rule to Shonen. Especially true of Jump properties becasue of just how linear their trope set is and, as somewhat of a writer myself I know full well that you can go far, far beyond rehashing tropes. Making a Jump series is basically painting by numbers.

But it's true, I DONT think its worth reading or watching, any more so than I would say the same for any other mediocre anime, it just happens to be mediocrity that in the time I could watch it I could have blown through 30 other series of the same quality or better.

I'm not in the 'I'm to good to watch this' camp and written it off immediately, in actuality I have both tried and tried to like all of the 'Big 3', and my experienced with them as an anime fan who entered through the back door so to speak where not good. Experiences as follow:

OP: the ones I've seen the most of becasue I watched it on TV back in 'the day' when Toonami was a thing. Tried to get back into it at some point and made it as far as when they meet Usop before losing interest.

Bleach: Actually tried to get into this to becasue a friend likes it, even bought a subscription to CrunchyRoll to watch it. Made it 3 episodes, saw that nothing of interest was occurring, stopped.

well, regardless one piece will always be my favorite. oda is my hero, and one day i'd love to meet him. lol :p

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13-Feb-2014 00:48:16

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oh and Inuyasha and Rurouni Kenshin were good ones as well. i think Rurouni Kenshin was the first anime i actually watched. lol it was pretty bloody.. but i mean one piece may be your typical fighting kind of manga but it's a lot more than that. every manga is different. none are alike. they may have some features that are the same but none are completely alike.

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13-Feb-2014 00:52:21

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Jesse B77 said :
Naruto: The only one I never actually tried to watch and only ended up doing so becasue I bought an opening night ticket to a convention, which always includes a movie and a Naruto movie was what they where playing. I half enjoyed it, I guess, up until around then end where it started getting all stupid and self-sacrificial and preachy and started just ramming the shonen message down my throat, at which point I just packed up and decided to beat the crowds to the train.

But yeah, enough about that. The point is that people can like what they want to like and I dont really care that much, but when they tout this narrow band of shonen series as the best things ever and wont expand beyond that then it just kind of gets annoying. Or, to put it some way that I saw on something else I cant recall once 'there's anime fans, and then there's (insert show here) fans'. There's nothing worse than coming to an open forum like this which is free of the policing and elitism that some anime forums carry (lookin' at you ANN) wanting to discuss the season in progress, and seeing nothing but Jump.

Also, cosplayers, or should I say 'cosplayers'. Seriously guys, a Naruto headband and lines on your face does not make you awesome, nor does being the 50 millionth Kakashi.

see, i don't just read naruto, bleach, and one piece. yes right now i guess i am but that doesn't mean i don't broaden my search. i always try looking for interesting new mangas to read or even older ones that i never knew about before. i bought shonen jump because it was cheap and it gave me access to the manga that i love. buying the volumes seperately would have cost me more. and i don't understand why you feel the need to bash those who cosplay either. who cares if someone just puts a headband on and some face paint, and who cares if there's 50 million kakashi's. i mean hell look at all the ******* homestuck cosplayers.. that **** is annoying to see. lol
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13-Feb-2014 00:57:49

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This is around the point where you just start '@Jesse'ing me, we know who's talking to who at this point without a massive quote lol.

Anywho, how I wish I could share your certainty of individuality of storytelling. Alas, this is my curse as a cynic and a critic, to look and see similarities where others would look for difference (It happens to everyone who's into anime eventually, watch a few hundred series and it'll happen to you to). There's being alike, there utilizing genre tropes and then there's reskinning a trope set, which are largely a different affair. Now, I wont say that I hate the idea universally, I do like some shonen manga (Specifically Negima, though thats half for the fighting and half for the chicks), I care less for the works themselves than the prestige they are inappropriately afforded and the fans who swear by them and nothing else.

Basically, what I'm saying is that the shonen genre bugs me becasue of it's fans attitudes about it and its ability to take would-be anime fans and make them shonen zombies. If someone enjoys those shows then thats A-OK by me, as long as they understand they are not the god-tier nor are they even 1% of what anime has to offer them.

Also, my bent against the cosplayers is just a dislike for the market saturation. It's not as bad as it used to be, but when 90% of a (large) convention is either Naruto headband people, Kakashi's and people in Bleach robes, it gets grating. Imagine going to an art gallery and everything on display was the Mona Lisa, painted the same way, and the only difference was the brush strokes used, thats basically how it is. Arguable, but theres an art to cosplay that gets neglected. Defo with you on the Homestuck cosplayers though, that's basically the direction where the lazy cosplay bandwagon has gone in recent years.

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^ i'm sorry but this time i stopped reading after the first sentence. you're taking all of this too seriously now. lol whether or not you're really a critic is besides the point, but i mean come on... why so serious? i understand you don't like things, and that's fine but please don't hate on others just because they enjoy it. let them read 'mainstream' manga or watch 'mainstream' anime. let them 'cosplay'. it doesn't affect you in any way. you're making a big deal out of something so little. also, if you could, please dumb it down a bit for me. stop using words i don't know. (yes i admit i'm not the smartest person and i don't know what every word means) i can tell you're an intelligent person, but you don't need to go using every word in the dictionary to talk to me. lol

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13-Feb-2014 02:11:08

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Critic as in critical and analytic, not critic as in the job in which your expected to carry a similar mindset. Also, I've not yet begun to break out the dictionary, my vocabulary has always been large and I've always made a point of using words that demonstrate my meaning as clearly as I can (which is one of he biggest strengths of the English language after all, the communication of ideas) so I have a hard time keeping my writing simple, I speak the same way, not doing it on purpose. Also also, I'm always serious, for me being serious and having fun are largely the same thing, debates about opinions and such (you think this one is serious and wordy, try getting me involved in a discussion on the Second Amendment).

Now go back and read what I actually wrote. Also, on the 'it doesn't hurt me' thing, put it this way. Seeing the homeless on the street doesnt directly affect me either, but I still want to give them money and at least put them up in hostel for the night becasue I know how cold the streets of Bristol are at night, but at the same time I wish they would just get clean shaven and apply for a job so then they could get paid and rent a house etc etc. Same deal.

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