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Jesse B77

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Chiming in with nothing useful, but I dont even see how the Anime <-> Avatar comparison is even a thing. Admittedly, I've not seen much of it, only one episode that happened to be airing on TV one morning while I was channel flicking, but from that I struggle to see how anyone can consider them even remotely alike. They feel nothing like each other...

17-May-2017 06:08:17 - Last edited on 17-May-2017 06:08:49 by Jesse B77

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The next episode of Natsuume Yuujinchou has been released and for this week, it explores Natsume's relationships with his close friends, Nishimura (the other guy I forgot his name) as well as how he met them. It's really cute!

I'm really excited for next episode because in the preview, it shows that the story will centralise around Natsuume's grandmother Reiko.
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17-May-2017 10:40:47

Jack Flac
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@Icy. Refer back to my post on page 1352 and you'll see my view on it all.

@Jesse. You have to watch the entire series, or at least the first season to get it. One episode doesn't quite explain it. Avatar, Ben 10, Ben 10 Alien Force, Ben 10 Ultimate Alien, Teen Titans(the original mind you, not this Teen Titans Go crap), these are shows produced in a time when the US was trying to make shows in the vein of anime companies in Japan, making shows directed at the western anime fandom as an audience. They very much give the feel of anime coming out of Japan, and similarly to RWBY, come across as American made anime, to the point that they seem like they are simply anime that was lisceneced and dubbed. Leader of The Enemy ||
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17-May-2017 14:00:04 - Last edited on 17-May-2017 14:17:34 by Jack Flac

Jesse B77

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The key word in all that was 'trying'. Trying does not mean that they succeeded or that they knew what they where doing. I can see the bigwigs in their offices going "we should make some ofthem animoo's the kids like. Whats that about" "derrr, the all charcters got big eyes boss".

I wouldn't even agree that RWBY, which I have seen all of (twice) comes accross as anime. Don't get me wrong, the charcter design to the shonen battle tournament arc bleeds anime influence all over the place on a surface level, but that's still something very western in it's stylistic preferences, especially so in earlier arcs. It stands out a lot in the comedic timing.

RWBY is probably closest to hitting the mark of all the shows you listed, but the others are, frankly, nothing like anime outside of their attempt to jack the anime-like 'big eyes' style. Teen Titans? Really? For most of it's run time it's almost entirely episodic and comes across about as typical of a saturday morning cartoon as you could ask. The odd forray into more serious territory, big eyes and ocasional linear storytelling dont make something an anime.

What does then? Well aside from the whole borrowing a word from Japanese and addapting it to our own usage with a very set standard which is only challeneged very rarely (ie: Shelter), I'm really not sure. I have a number of hypothesees, but none that I could fully articulate.

Regardless, Avatar, not anime. RWBY, not anime, Teen Titans, not anime, and Ben 10, definitely not anime. I dont understand why this obsession people have with them being anime in the first place, does that afford them some sort of special status? Does it make them more acceptable to be a fan of? Not really. People can like what they want and nobody is going to mind, but you gotta stop trying to shoehorn things into places they dont belong .

17-May-2017 14:56:05 - Last edited on 17-May-2017 15:12:53 by Jesse B77

Jesse B77

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Also, becasue this is annoying me

"As I view it, thee are two kinds of animated works. Anime, the ones that are story driven, have full length plots, spanning anywhere from 12, to 200+ episodes, and cartoons, things produced in the vein of the Simpsons, Family guy, and the like. No real plot, essentially a massive group of comedic short stories"

By this criteria, you invalidated Lucky f***king Star of all things as anime. I don't think theres any anime thats more anime than that show...

17-May-2017 15:15:38

Jack Flac
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Lucky Star takes a different road than anything the US has ever attempted to produce, and I would still classify it uder the anime catergory. It isn't just one-off comedic shorts, as it actually aims to develop the characters. The shows I would classify as cartoons are the ones that don't guve any attempt at this, instead just providing brainless entertainment

RWBY was more of an example, and to be honest, it's farther from anime from most things, I was just bringing it up as an attempt. I still feel it fails, but it was somethung made with the anime fandom i mind, hence why I brought it up.

Theres a lot more to anime than simply the big-eye art style, and focusing on that one aspect throws out a number of things actually made in Japan. It comes down to the feel of the show, how they deliver the characters,how they choose to deliver the story.

Out of the ones I had listed, Avatar and Ben 10 Alien Force are the ones that I felt hit closest to the mark. Ben 10 Alien Force hit so close, for the longest time I actually thoughtg it was an anime out of Japan

Focusing on the artstyle and the country of origin is as bad as getting in a huff when someone calls anime cartoons, because in all sense of the word, anime are cartoons. Leader of The Enemy ||
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17-May-2017 16:03:36

Jesse B77

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I'm fully aware that theres more to anime than the big eyed art style, I was raising that as a counter point to the common argument that 'it looks like anime, therefore... that tends to crop up in these debates. Country of origin does, however, matter. Not just as a matter of fact, but in the mental processes of the staff creating it. A Japanese director/writer with Japanese sensibilities penning for a Japanese audience with Japanese standards is going to inevitably feel different from a western staff for a western audiences.

Regardless, I still realy cant fathom how you could mistake Avatar or Ben 10 for a Japanese production. As you say, the feel of the show is what matters, but the feel that I'm getting from the aforementioned is 'saturday morning cartoon' and 'lets sell some merchandise'.

17-May-2017 16:31:58 - Last edited on 17-May-2017 16:35:52 by Jesse B77

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