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Minute Walts
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SlR said :
Tenebri said :
Minute Walts said :
I'm looking at it this way, 1st group of people getting 200m xp cap to just get to 200m xp cap. 2nd group of people who wants to hit the 200m xp cap, but finds it tedious to do so, hence, stopped continuing to do so. Yes, if you don't want a 200m, then don't go for it, you're right, but for the 2nd group of people, if they still want it, despite it being tedious, they'd still do it, but they'd need some form of motivation to push them to go on would it?

the 2nd group dont want it then do they, they stopped.
why would they carry on just because of a title and emote? it means they dont want 200m, they just want a title or an emote.

and like i said on my first post. the only reason you should go for 200m is for 200m. so yes you are literally strengthening my first post on why not to do this.

Why is that an issue, if somebody wants to go for a cosmetic that doesn't affect others...

Yes, that's right, at the end of the day, it's just cosmetic that will not affect others or affect the gameplay! :)

17-Apr-2023 13:46:21

Rikornak
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SlR said :
Tenebri said :
Minute Walts said :
I'm looking at it this way, 1st group of people getting 200m xp cap to just get to 200m xp cap. 2nd group of people who wants to hit the 200m xp cap, but finds it tedious to do so, hence, stopped continuing to do so. Yes, if you don't want a 200m, then don't go for it, you're right, but for the 2nd group of people, if they still want it, despite it being tedious, they'd still do it, but they'd need some form of motivation to push them to go on would it?

the 2nd group dont want it then do they, they stopped.
why would they carry on just because of a title and emote? it means they dont want 200m, they just want a title or an emote.

and like i said on my first post. the only reason you should go for 200m is for 200m. so yes you are literally strengthening my first post on why not to do this.

Why is that an issue, if somebody wants to go for a cosmetic that doesn't affect others...

Since it may force players getting into it that do not want to do it for good reasons (i.e. the ones who know how unenduringly stupid it is before doing it, instead of those doing it and suddenly acknowledging that the experience isn't as rewarding as they thought).

Like 120 capes for virtual skills and master max/comp also already do. The next step literally are players of the kind 'why do I just get a cosmetic for that!1! Gimme something real!'. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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17-Apr-2023 14:15:43 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2023 14:18:07 by Rikornak

Minute Walts
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Rikornak said :
SlR said :
Tenebri said :
Minute Walts said :
I'm looking at it this way, 1st group of people getting 200m xp cap to just get to 200m xp cap. 2nd group of people who wants to hit the 200m xp cap, but finds it tedious to do so, hence, stopped continuing to do so. Yes, if you don't want a 200m, then don't go for it, you're right, but for the 2nd group of people, if they still want it, despite it being tedious, they'd still do it, but they'd need some form of motivation to push them to go on would it?

the 2nd group dont want it then do they, they stopped.
why would they carry on just because of a title and emote? it means they dont want 200m, they just want a title or an emote.

and like i said on my first post. the only reason you should go for 200m is for 200m. so yes you are literally strengthening my first post on why not to do this.

Why is that an issue, if somebody wants to go for a cosmetic that doesn't affect others...

Since it may force players getting into it that do not want to do it for good reasons (i.e. the ones who know how unenduringly stupid it is before doing it, instead of those doing it and suddenly acknowledging that the experience isn't as rewarding as they thought).

Like 120 capes for virtual skills and master max/comp also already do. The next step literally are players of the kind 'why do I just get a cosmetic for that!1! Gimme something real!'.

Players who already know how ''unenduringly stupid it is'' to do a skill 20 times over (assuming 10m xp is 99, 200m xp will be 20 times, for easy explanation sake), will not even do it in the first place. Those who suddenly acknowledge that the experience and effort to get it isn't as rewarding will also stop. It's all about their own choice and their own decision making on this whether or not they'd want to spend time to do it.

17-Apr-2023 14:28:39

Minute Walts
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Rikornak said :
SlR said :
Tenebri said :
Minute Walts said :
I'm looking at it this way, 1st group of people getting 200m xp cap to just get to 200m xp cap. 2nd group of people who wants to hit the 200m xp cap, but finds it tedious to do so, hence, stopped continuing to do so. Yes, if you don't want a 200m, then don't go for it, you're right, but for the 2nd group of people, if they still want it, despite it being tedious, they'd still do it, but they'd need some form of motivation to push them to go on would it?

the 2nd group dont want it then do they, they stopped.
why would they carry on just because of a title and emote? it means they dont want 200m, they just want a title or an emote.

and like i said on my first post. the only reason you should go for 200m is for 200m. so yes you are literally strengthening my first post on why not to do this.

Why is that an issue, if somebody wants to go for a cosmetic that doesn't affect others...

Since it may force players getting into it that do not want to do it for good reasons (i.e. the ones who know how unenduringly stupid it is before doing it, instead of those doing it and suddenly acknowledging that the experience isn't as rewarding as they thought).

Like 120 capes for virtual skills and master max/comp also already do. The next step literally are players of the kind 'why do I just get a cosmetic for that!1! Gimme something real!'.

In this case of 120 capes/master max/comp, do you have any examples on that by ''gimme something real''? It should be noted that the idea I'm suggesting is nothing but just cosmetic that does not affect the game in any way. I'm not forcing them to do it, the idea is there, whether you want to do it or not, it's entirely your own choice.

17-Apr-2023 14:32:17

Rikornak
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Wrong.

Put in into three tiers.

- No reward at all, except for your personal acknowledgment, which turns into a rank you can show off to others
- Cosmetic reward
- Actual benefit

As soon as some kind of activity gets into an higher tier players will start to pursue it who wouldn't have done it before. Certainly doesn't affect everybody, but I am more than certain, that the amount of true maxed players rose following the master max cape. Likewise the amount of players bothering to 99 max significantly rose when the extremely powerful max and the even more powerful comp capes were released. And I am not talking about that steady, steady increase that just will happen over time. It's a bump you can see on those curves. And then there's the players who are between the tiers - you're obviously one going for it without feeling adequately rewarded without a cosmetic to show off and likewise players who would go for unreasonable cosmetics do not feel rewarded enough by that.

It's always an issue when players do not comprehend what an activity is supposed to reward - which is in your case outright nothing, since it's just a random number they allowed you to achieve. What next - should players be rewarded for prestiging bosses and/or slayer monsters 100 times (with 60000 kills each), just because the game tracks that for you up to that point? Prestiging the memorial to guthix 250 times because it goes up to that? Content or rewards should never be derived from statistics, it needs to be the other way around Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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17-Apr-2023 14:40:42 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2023 14:59:51 by Rikornak

Rikornak
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You've achieved nothing just because you repeated the very same action you already continuously repeated for quite some time for even 20 times longer, since it isn't an actual ingame goal just because they allowed you to go for MAX_INT rounded to a clean number instead of the experience required for the actual level cap.

Asking for benefits: Here you go - you'll probably find more if you search for it. As said I see you're not asking for that outright, but it only would be the next consequent step if somebody who does not actually feel like doing it, but felt for a cosmetic more obliged than for nothing. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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17-Apr-2023 14:59:04

Tenebri
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Minute Walts said :

Take me for instance, I did crystallize grenwalls to 200m hunter. I find it tedious to do so, I took breaks every now and then, but eventually, I motivated myself to do so because of how nice it will look on the highscore and also the profit I've made from grenwalls. Say if there was a 200m xp title that comes with it, to me i

grats again on solidifying my first post further, you didnt need any emote or title. the drive of the 200m was enough to get you it. thats the way it should stay.

you arent doing a good job on saying why your idea is better, you are giving good reasons why it should stay the way it is
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17-Apr-2023 19:36:36 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2023 19:37:51 by Tenebri

Minute Walts
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@Rikornak

- I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, the title is a cosmetic reward, no actual benefit/perks. The ‘’reward’’ itself is the personal satisfaction of achieving a goal, which in this case, a 200m skill. This isn’t about ‘’higher tier’’, there’s no such scaling in my suggestion for this 200m xp skill title. If you add tiers into it, wouldn't it mean that there will be actual benefits or perks sought after? There are no such additional perks over anything in this case. Therefore, it’s only a matter of choice if you’d want to pursue it or if you think that doing a skill 20 times over is a waste of time.

Comparing players who get the powerful max cape/comp cape because of how good the cape is, is different compared to this idea of getting a mere ‘’title/emote’’ for a 200m skill that most people wouldn't even want to spend their energy on. Even if there’s a sudden boost of people who achieve 200m xp because there’s now a new title which is rewarded upon completion, is still nothing more than just cosmetic that does not give you an edge over anyone in the game, other than showing it off.

Whether or not players want to be rewarded for prestiging a boss/sayer count is up to whoever who wants the idea implemented. Contents and rewards here are pretty much derive from statistics, in the sense that to achieve that 120 slayer, wouldn’t you need to get 99 in that skill pretty much 8 times more? But in this case, you’re rewarded with new slayer monsters etc.

17-Apr-2023 22:17:16

Minute Walts
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@Tenebri

Your first post on this thread was that ‘’there should never be any unlocks for 200m, not a title not an emote. no buff no perks etc, we don’t need motivation to get to 200, you get to 200m to get 200m, that’s it’’

I’ll have to disagree with that fully. I respect your opinion on the first part of the sentence, however on the second, not so much at all really. People don’t just get to 200m to get 200m, there has to be a reason behind spending all that precious time. Is it for a sense of achievement? For a sense of self-satisfaction? Knowing that I’ve hit the maximum xp given to a skill and my rank on the highscore will be there forever?

Say you walk around and saw someone with 200m prayer. A goal that you’ve had for awhile. You’ve been working on it on and off, but you find it tiresome, and then you chance upon someone wearing that beautiful 120 prayer cape with 200m xp as well, wouldn’t you be motivated to do so?

And now that I’ve that surge of motivation to get what it done, there’s now an unlockable title that comes with it. That sense of satisfaction is what I’m talking about. Whether or not the idea comes into implementation or not, it doesn’t matter to me, my point is just that there’s really a reason to do anything at all in Runescape. You don’t just do something, to do something.

17-Apr-2023 22:24:35

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