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Shn
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In RSC, the viewable area was a 20x20 grid (400 tiles in your viewing area).
If we make realistic assumptions, like the floor “being scattered” means 30% of the entire player’s view being littered with Santa Hats, this is already 120x hats. If we also assume this is happening 5 times an hour in different popular locations around RS for an entire day, this is 14,400 Santa Hats made. If these are indeed being dropped in populated areas it’s safe to say virtually every single hat was picked up.
If we assume 30 locations are being populated 10 times an hour this is 864,000 Santa Hats. The question then becomes: are they all getting picked up?
You’ll note that you can tweak assumptions to fit your narrative pretty easily. I definitely wouldn’t put the idea that there are 100,000 hats in game out of the question. The trading volume is less because of the hoarding.
Thank you for sharing this useful information. I am sure that there are way less Santas in the game now since so many old players have left the game. I think 100k for 2009 is realistic. I do think the numbers dropped drastically throughout the years, as I lack heart mentioned 75k doesn't seem so much off in 2013. I just believe only 30-40% of these were active.
In RSC, the viewable area was a 20x20 grid (400 tiles in your viewing area).
If we make realistic assumptions, like the floor “being scattered” means 30% of the entire player’s view being littered with Santa Hats, this is already 120x hats. If we also assume this is happening 5 times an hour in different popular locations around RS for an entire day, this is 14,400 Santa Hats made. If these are indeed being dropped in populated areas it’s safe to say virtually every single hat was picked up.
If we assume 30 locations are being populated 10 times an hour this is 864,000 Santa Hats. The question then becomes: are they all getting picked up?
You’ll note that you can tweak assumptions to fit your narrative pretty easily. I definitely wouldn’t put the idea that there are 100,000 hats in game out of the question. The trading volume is less because of the hoarding.
Thank you for sharing this useful information. I am sure that there are way less Santas in the game now since so many old players have left the game. I think 100k for 2009 is realistic. I do think the numbers dropped drastically throughout the years, as I lack heart mentioned 75k doesn't seem so much off in 2013. I just believe only 30-40% of these were active.
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03-Jul-2020 18:47:51
Shn
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I think the manner in which they were dropped was a JMod would log in and enter a command i.e. "::drop". This would generate the item in the vicinity and then create a local system message "System Update: Happy Easter!" or whatever was relevant for the drop. The fact a system message was being generated suggests that there was server side code triggered to assist with the drop; the JMod didn't have to manually drop the items. I do however, agree that a JMod would have to be the one issuing the command in game.
That makes sense, and further implies that there could never have been 100k+ Santa Hats in the first place.
Andrew would have had to spend his whole Christmas Day using his big shiny drop button!
I think the manner in which they were dropped was a JMod would log in and enter a command i.e. "::drop". This would generate the item in the vicinity and then create a local system message "System Update: Happy Easter!" or whatever was relevant for the drop. The fact a system message was being generated suggests that there was server side code triggered to assist with the drop; the JMod didn't have to manually drop the items. I do however, agree that a JMod would have to be the one issuing the command in game.
That makes sense, and further implies that there could never have been 100k+ Santa Hats in the first place.
Andrew would have had to spend his whole Christmas Day using his big shiny drop button!
03-Jul-2020 18:51:39
@ 4p
I think you should read what Shn mentioned earlier, the possibility could be up to 800k Santas.
Writing a command only takes a few seconds, so no, Andrew would not have had to spend his whole Christmas Day using his big shiny drop button
I think you should read what Shn mentioned earlier, the possibility could be up to 800k Santas.
Writing a command only takes a few seconds, so no, Andrew would not have had to spend his whole Christmas Day using his big shiny drop button
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03-Jul-2020 18:57:05
nyxiah
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Shn said :
In RSC, the viewable area was a 20x20 grid (400 tiles in your viewing area).
If we make realistic assumptions, like the floor “being scattered” means 30% of the entire player’s view being littered with Santa Hats, this is already 120x hats. If we also assume this is happening 5 times an hour in different popular locations around RS for an entire day, this is 14,400 Santa Hats made. If these are indeed being dropped in populated areas it’s safe to say virtually every single hat was picked up.
If we assume 30 locations are being populated 10 times an hour this is 864,000 Santa Hats. The question then becomes: are they all getting picked up?
You’ll note that you can tweak assumptions to fit your narrative pretty easily. I definitely wouldn’t put the idea that there are 100,000 hats in game out of the question. The trading volume is less because of the hoarding.
Thank you for sharing this useful information. I am sure that there are way less Santas in the game now since so many old players have left the game. I think 100k for 2009 is realistic. I do think the numbers dropped drastically throughout the years, as I lack heart mentioned 75k doesn't seem so much off in 2013. I just believe only 30-40% of these were active.
Don't you think that makes it less realistic? Let's type it out a different way:
- The command scatters 120x Santa Hats
- The command is used in 30 locations (30 Jagex Mods?)
- The command is used 10 times an hour in those 30 locations (every 6 minutes)
= 864k Santa Hats
That's 30 Jagex Mods dropping Santas every 6 minutes, for 24hrs on Christmas day.
Scale that down to even 100k Santas and it's:
30 Jagex Mods dropping Santas every 52 minutes (rounded up)... on Christmas Day
Edit: Jagex had nowhere near 30 employees in 2002 (see YouTube documentary). And that's not even the biggest issue here!
Shn said :
In RSC, the viewable area was a 20x20 grid (400 tiles in your viewing area).
If we make realistic assumptions, like the floor “being scattered” means 30% of the entire player’s view being littered with Santa Hats, this is already 120x hats. If we also assume this is happening 5 times an hour in different popular locations around RS for an entire day, this is 14,400 Santa Hats made. If these are indeed being dropped in populated areas it’s safe to say virtually every single hat was picked up.
If we assume 30 locations are being populated 10 times an hour this is 864,000 Santa Hats. The question then becomes: are they all getting picked up?
You’ll note that you can tweak assumptions to fit your narrative pretty easily. I definitely wouldn’t put the idea that there are 100,000 hats in game out of the question. The trading volume is less because of the hoarding.
Thank you for sharing this useful information. I am sure that there are way less Santas in the game now since so many old players have left the game. I think 100k for 2009 is realistic. I do think the numbers dropped drastically throughout the years, as I lack heart mentioned 75k doesn't seem so much off in 2013. I just believe only 30-40% of these were active.
Don't you think that makes it less realistic? Let's type it out a different way:
- The command scatters 120x Santa Hats
- The command is used in 30 locations (30 Jagex Mods?)
- The command is used 10 times an hour in those 30 locations (every 6 minutes)
= 864k Santa Hats
That's 30 Jagex Mods dropping Santas every 6 minutes, for 24hrs on Christmas day.
Scale that down to even 100k Santas and it's:
30 Jagex Mods dropping Santas every 52 minutes (rounded up)... on Christmas Day
Edit: Jagex had nowhere near 30 employees in 2002 (see YouTube documentary). And that's not even the biggest issue here!
03-Jul-2020 19:08:29 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2020 19:17:28 by 4p
Shn
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...If we make realistic assumptions, like the floor “being scattered” means 30% of the entire player’s view being littered with Santa Hats, this is already 120x hats. If we also assume this is happening 5 times an hour in different popular locations around RS for an entire day, this is 14,400 Santa Hats made. If these are indeed being dropped in populated areas it’s safe to say virtually every single hat was picked up.
If we assume 30 locations are being populated 10 times an hour this is 864,000 Santa Hats. The question then becomes: are they all getting picked up?...
The above quote is for use of the numbers only. To clarify, prevously when I said 'dropping' I meant using the '::drop' command which we have assumed.
Let's change the numbers to meet what we are now saying, and I'll be more specific:
- Andrew can do this from a console by typing '::drop' into the console
- One command populates 30 areas with 120x Santas
- The command is used 10 times an hour
=864k Santas in 24hrs
This would mean 1 Jagex Moderator would have to use the command once every 6 minutes to populate 30 areas with 120 Santas, over the course of 24 hours.
Again, scale it down to 100k Santas on release day:
1 Jagex Mod types '::drop' into a console every 52 minutes, for 24hrs, on Christmas Day. And then all of those Santas would have to be picked up and carried through to 2009, to make the volume of Santa Hats exactly 100k in 2009.
'20k - 100k Santas' does sound more realistic, although it's a broad range:
20k:
1 Jagex Mod types '::drop' into a console every 260 minutes (4.5hrs) over the course of 24hrs. (and enjoys the rest of their Christmas Day!)
50k:
1 Jagex Mod types '::drop' into a console every 104 minutes (1hr 45 minutes ish) over the course of 24hrs
Using the examples you're giving, I'm just trying to show how impossible it would be for there to be 100k Santas on release, let alone 2009.
...If we make realistic assumptions, like the floor “being scattered” means 30% of the entire player’s view being littered with Santa Hats, this is already 120x hats. If we also assume this is happening 5 times an hour in different popular locations around RS for an entire day, this is 14,400 Santa Hats made. If these are indeed being dropped in populated areas it’s safe to say virtually every single hat was picked up.
If we assume 30 locations are being populated 10 times an hour this is 864,000 Santa Hats. The question then becomes: are they all getting picked up?...
The above quote is for use of the numbers only. To clarify, prevously when I said 'dropping' I meant using the '::drop' command which we have assumed.
Let's change the numbers to meet what we are now saying, and I'll be more specific:
- Andrew can do this from a console by typing '::drop' into the console
- One command populates 30 areas with 120x Santas
- The command is used 10 times an hour
=864k Santas in 24hrs
This would mean 1 Jagex Moderator would have to use the command once every 6 minutes to populate 30 areas with 120 Santas, over the course of 24 hours.
Again, scale it down to 100k Santas on release day:
1 Jagex Mod types '::drop' into a console every 52 minutes, for 24hrs, on Christmas Day. And then all of those Santas would have to be picked up and carried through to 2009, to make the volume of Santa Hats exactly 100k in 2009.
'20k - 100k Santas' does sound more realistic, although it's a broad range:
20k:
1 Jagex Mod types '::drop' into a console every 260 minutes (4.5hrs) over the course of 24hrs. (and enjoys the rest of their Christmas Day!)
50k:
1 Jagex Mod types '::drop' into a console every 104 minutes (1hr 45 minutes ish) over the course of 24hrs
Using the examples you're giving, I'm just trying to show how impossible it would be for there to be 100k Santas on release, let alone 2009.
03-Jul-2020 19:40:56
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