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Spyro

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crying inside because rite of passage still doesnt eexist

18-Dec-2017 17:18:35

Deltaslug

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Spyro said :
crying inside because rite of passage still doesnt eexist

So this is what it sounds like when doves cry?

Though given how evil Mod Raven is, the infinite delays of RoP may be intentional in order to prolong our suffering.

Your tears that the quest is not out yet not only makes Mod Raven stronger, but causes him to desire to push out the development timeline even further.

Though it is to be expected that while Mod Raven is evil , even pure evil needs to enact a plan at some point. The torment caused by the waiting ... the anticipation ... of the horrors to come can only go so far.
If evil doesn't act at some point, then the sniveling masses eventually grow weary, bored, or even forget that you are evil and just think you are "evil".

Plus the constant delays continuously interrupt his other long term plans of tormenting the masses, bouts of evil cackling, and tea drinking.

19-Dec-2017 04:48:33

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Ian Adler

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I think Rite of Passage will come out eventually, but not until the Unfinished Business project is complete. Let's face it, when we the players voted for Jagex to finish the 5th Age storylines before continuing the 6th we put many things - including this Quest - on hold.

Saradominist

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My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to

Tumeken

and the bloodline of Senliten.

19-Dec-2017 21:53:46

Ava Enithesi

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So, while this quest was originally supposed to happen before Sliske's Endgame, that isn't the case anymore. It'd be too confusing to make this quest as if it had happened previous to SE - Armadyl says in his SE dialogue "We haven't spoken for a while." If this quest was played out as if it was still 2014 (or year 2 of the Sixth Age), then that isn't contradicted. It's weird enough with Fifth Age quests, having to keep in mind "these events took place in 169 Fifth Age, so X, Y, and Z haven't happened yet."

Perhaps a disclaimer on the accept screen saying, "This quest takes place after Sliske's Endgame. For full comprehension, we recommend playing that quest first," would suffice. I'm not a fan of missable dialogue because of missing recommended quests. It was bad in TWW, and in MPD, and I'd rather we just not have that. This quest would also ostensibly be a midlevel quest: putting a hard requirement on it to do Sliske's Endgame, which requires half the entire quest journal, is a bit extreme.

And a word on movement. I'm essentially in favor of it working like a series of the quicktime events in Araxxor, path 3. You'd be able to use WASD (or arrow keys, or click the arrows) to make the right move. I don't think the penalty should be too harsh for failure - though difficulty should increase the close you get to the core (where there will be more rocks and stronger wind). Most players should have to be actively trying to die. At least just for this quest. Sequels/pq can be more harsh.

I'm overall not a fan of the Children of Mah Lava Falls-style of movement. Also, there will sometimes appear a tobi'it or something, which will appear somewhere between these quicktime events, and you can click it to get...a tobi'it, which in turn gives hunter exp and perhaps a little something else. And once you've gone from one island to another, you can "quick jump" to it. This way, if you die or something, it'll be not-as-annoying to get back to where you were.

21-Dec-2017 06:35:22

Ava Enithesi

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Ian Adler said :
I think Rite of Passage will come out eventually, but not until the Unfinished Business project is complete. Let's face it, when we the players voted for Jagex to finish the 5th Age storylines before continuing the 6th we put many things - including this Quest - on hold.

Rite of Passage is Unfinished Business™, though. I of course think that finishing the Fifth Age should take more priority in the schedule overall than it has in the past few years (and especially over Elder Gods, AKA the final final bosses of the universe, or over anyone created by Mah, or the elves, all of whom have gotten their fair share of screentime by now), but that doesn't preclude Rite of Passage entirely.

What I'm in favor of is in a year with six quests, we get four Fifth Age quests, and two Sixth Age quests. I think that that's a fair compromise, considering how long we've been waiting not just for RoP, but also Death of Chivalry 2 and a Godless quest. And my compromise would give us more Fifth Age content in a single year than we've gotten in any given year since The World Wakes.

On the other hand, assuming you're right, at least there isn't really that much left in the Fifth Age...? We could still get this quest in 2018 as long as other teams are also making quests, and I don't for a second believe Mod Raven's team will be the only ones making quests next year.

21-Dec-2017 06:57:08

Ava Enithesi

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Deltaslug said :

If evil doesn't act at some point, then the sniveling masses eventually grow weary, bored, or even forget that you are evil and just think you are "evil".

Plus the constant delays continuously interrupt his other long term plans of tormenting the masses, bouts of evil cackling, and tea drinking.

Heh. Most of us are beyond that point, I think.

21-Dec-2017 06:59:22

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Ian Adler

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Ava Enithesi said :
Ian Adler said :
I think Rite of Passage will come out eventually, but not until the Unfinished Business project is complete. Let's face it, when we the players voted for Jagex to finish the 5th Age storylines before continuing the 6th we put many things - including this Quest - on hold.

Rite of Passage is Unfinished Business™, though. I of course think that finishing the Fifth Age should take more priority in the schedule overall than it has in the past few years (and especially over Elder Gods, AKA the final final bosses of the universe, or over anyone created by Mah, or the elves, all of whom have gotten their fair share of screentime by now), but that doesn't preclude Rite of Passage entirely.

What I'm in favor of is in a year with six quests, we get four Fifth Age quests, and two Sixth Age quests. I think that that's a fair compromise, considering how long we've been waiting not just for RoP, but also Death of Chivalry 2 and a Godless quest. And my compromise would give us more Fifth Age content in a single year than we've gotten in any given year since The World Wakes.

On the other hand, assuming you're right, at least there isn't really that much left in the Fifth Age...? We could still get this quest in 2018 as long as other teams are also making quests, and I don't for a second believe Mod Raven's team will be the only ones making quests next year.

There is unfinished business & Unfinished Business and, while Rite of Passage is certainly the former, the latter has been described by Jagex as completing the 5th Age 100% before charging full force into the 6th Age. Having content on both sides of Guthix's grave is why things have slowed down of late, I think, as we demand things like Menaphos and conclusion of old storylines while still wanting more content based around our role as World Guardian. Jagex cannot do both at once.

Saradominist

World Guardian

emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to

Tumeken

and the bloodline of Senliten.

21-Dec-2017 20:48:05

A Mighty

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Glad to see RoP is still on the radar!

The main thing for me is, obviously, that second Artefact and how Armadyl ascended. And it should hopefully be something that is discovered in the quest itself and not relegated to post-quest content and/or locked behind level prereqs.

Which brings me to my next point. About pre/post Endgame. The Endgame has happened, and while I didn't think it should have happened for many more years, what's done is done. But this still doesn't change the fact that two of the game's major factions don't have a quest yet. Armadyl is one of those factions. To lock the only quest for a faction behind massive levels is simply wrong, when other factions like Saradomin and Zamorak have quests that are much more accessible. I don't care whether it's set before or after the Endgame as far as lore goes; do whatever is best for the game and the lore. But please don't make this Quest require the Endgame. The level 30-50 requirements that were discussed previously (30's and 40's in Divination, Smithing, and one other skill I can't remember..Hunter?) are fine for the quest. Make high level training areas part of the rewards, if necessary. (Just don't lock essential lore behind them, like how Armadyl ascended. But seeing the plethora of lore that's already been "leaked" for this quest, there should be no problem hiding interesting lore about the Aviansie in those areas)

To those cursed by war and pest, Come into the light of Armadyl and rest. This is the law of Armadyl.

22-Dec-2017 01:10:12

Tetsu Talon

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Ian Adler said :

Having content on both sides of Guthix's grave is why things have slowed down of late, I think, as we demand things like Menaphos and conclusion of old storylines while still wanting more content based around our role as World Guardian. Jagex cannot do both at once.

With the announcement of the Pirate/Rabid Jack conclusion coming next year, the only remaining 5th Age questline really demanding further work right now is the Gnome series... also confirmed to be a priority for next year.

Ava Enithesi said :
So, while this quest was originally supposed to happen before Sliske's Endgame, that isn't the case anymore.

After The World Wakes, a sort of break was created to allow players to experience new story developments revolving around the return of the gods, without requiring the lengthy chain of quests needed to fully understand the events leading up to Guthix's death. It may now be time for another such 'reboot.' Sliske's Endgame should be used very carefully and sparingly as a requirement for any future content, as when it is, it adds with it the requirement of over half the game's quests to date. If references are made that are unclear to a player who has not played Endgame, that may be preferable to a quest or other content being inaccessible to many players.

22-Dec-2017 03:01:25

Ava Enithesi

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Tetsu Talon said :
With the announcement of the Pirate/Rabid Jack conclusion coming next year, the only remaining 5th Age questline really demanding further work right now is the Gnome series... also confirmed to be a priority for next year.

The Desert series is still unfinished as well, and I don't think players are going to let Jagex get away with a finale any less substantive than Do No Evil. It's a bit questionable as to what age Menaphos actually is in; seems agnostic to me at the moment. But that's another conversation for another place...

Ian Adler said :
There is unfinished business & Unfinished Business and, while Rite of Passage is certainly the former, the latter has been described by Jagex as completing the 5th Age 100% before charging full force into the 6th Age. Having content on both sides of Guthix's grave is why things have slowed down of late, I think, as we demand things like Menaphos and conclusion of old storylines while still wanting more content based around our role as World Guardian. Jagex cannot do both at once.

And here, I respectfully disagree. I've heard time and time again that Jagex does indeed consider this quest as "Unfinished Business," with initial capital letters. I for one want a more nuanced take on the 5a vs. 6a thing, something nobody else seemingly wants to give an inch on. I see no reason they can't do four 5a quests and two 6a quests (or better yet, more quests overall in a year, with the vast majority still being 5a). All it'd be doing is shifting the balance we've had heavily in favor of 5a while not totally abandoning things that deserve their time.

Even if you're right, though, it's not the end of the world, though - we're beyond used to getting deprioritized at this point...................

22-Dec-2017 09:48:32

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