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Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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Abby Taylor said :
@Dilbert

okay but the reward from daily missions are objectively, and mathematically worse than the rewards from the previous daily challenge system.

less exp
no th keys
no dtds

How are the rewards OBJECTIVELY and mathematically worse than before?

We are getting a lot cosmetics from the Hero Points we gain from doing daily missions that we did get whatsoever from daily challenges. Perhaps you don't like cosmetics which I understand but 100% you can't even remotely use the word OBJECTIVELY to railroad other players who love cosmetics to dislike the 94 new cosmetics they love to play Hero Pass for indeed.

06-Sep-2023 19:18:30

Abby Taylor
Nov Member 2019

Abby Taylor

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@Dilbert

I've posted multiple times how the rewards are worse than before, and included a small list in my last post, I recommend you re-read it because I think you forgot or chose to ignore it.

1. Less exp, Daily challenges gave 3 large lamps worth of exp. New missions give 2 large lamps worth of exp, objectively lower.


2. No TH keys. The old system gave 3 keys per day, the new system gives zero keys per day. This is objectively worse as the zero is in fact less than the number 3.


3. Death touch darts and other bonuses are no longer given for completing the challenges. This is once again just a direct nerf

4. The new cosmetics are all male oriented and suck. They are all just re-skins. The cosmetics don't provide any in game effect or bonus so they are useless.



The cosmetics do not count because unlike EXPERIENCE POINTS and TREASURE HUNTER KEYS. They don't actually have value beyond being cosmetic.
But yeah the "94 cosmetics" are actually like...12 cosmetics re colored over and over dilbert.

Why won't you see things my way?
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06-Sep-2023 19:43:54

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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^^
I already replied to your posts with my actual experience and facts. If you don't think cosmetics count it is only your personal opinion which I am not going to argue with. However, they aren't OBJECTIVELY and mathematically worse than before just because you don't acknowledge players like me who value them.

You can't force players to see things your way.

06-Sep-2023 19:58:55

Abby Taylor
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Abby Taylor

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@Dilbert

Well your way of viewing it is wrong because I literally mathematically proved that the exp you get is less.
and the rewards are less.

if you like re skins and re colors I don't care, you're opinion is wrong and irrelevant, as always.

Most players disliked this update, with the exception of you who praises jagex for everything and has never criticized the company one time.

1. Less exp, Daily challenges gave 3 large lamps worth of exp. New missions give 2 large lamps worth of exp, objectively lower.

2. No TH keys. The old system gave 3 keys per day, the new system gives zero keys per day. This is objectively worse as the zero is in fact less than the number 3.

3. Death touch darts and other bonuses are no longer given for completing the challenges. This is once again just a direct nerf

4. The new cosmetics are all male oriented and suck. They are all just re-skins. The cosmetics don't provide any in game effect or bonus so they are useless.


There is my reasons. I'm done discussing this with you because you refuse to see reason.
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06-Sep-2023 23:28:25

Dilbert2001
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^^
You can't mathematically prove anything when your value of cosmetics and other items are different from other players. If you think cosmetics have no values, it is only your belief but a lot of people value cosmetics a lot, that's why some players pay real money to buy cosmetics from SGS and other sources.

06-Sep-2023 23:47:10

Abby Taylor
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Abby Taylor

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@Dilbert

it's a good thing my argument isn't solely about cosmetics right. It's a good thing I covered all the other ways that the hero pass is inferior to the previous daily challenge system, in ways that are more objective.
You know the exp, The Keys, The poorly made interface, The amount of time it takes.

Maybe you should try reading my posts before responding to them dilbert :)
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07-Sep-2023 01:06:57

Dilbert2001
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Abby Taylor said :
@Dilbert

it's a good thing my argument isn't solely about cosmetics right. It's a good thing I covered all the other ways that the hero pass is inferior to the previous daily challenge system, in ways that are more objective.
You know the exp, The Keys, The poorly made interface, The amount of time it takes.

Maybe you should try reading my posts before responding to them dilbert :)

You didn't put the value of cosmetics, buffs among other things in your "mathematics" then you already lost out on your claim that the rewards are OBJECTIVELY worse. It is just your personal opinion that you intentionally ignored items of values plenty of people even pay real money. I am sure many players have bought cosmetics from SGS and other promotions, including some posted in these RSOF. Are you telling us they have been spending their real money the ill-advised way on worse items than TH keys?

07-Sep-2023 01:13:13

Abby Taylor
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Abby Taylor

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@Dilbert

"You didn't put the value of cosmetics, buffs among other things in your "mathematics" then you already lost out on your claim that the rewards are OBJECTIVELY worse."


I've proven multiple times how it's objectively worse and then you just ignore it and talk about cosmetics.
You have not talked about the lesser experience, the th keys or the increased time to complete the missions.

at this point we are running in circles over this dilbert.
I have at many points explained to you how this is objectively worse, and then you reply to me saying that it is not, because of cosmetics. (Cosmetics which do not affect gameplay)

You are being incoherent and we are not moving forward here, you are borderline spamming by repeating the same thing every post.
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07-Sep-2023 02:36:32 - Last edited on 07-Sep-2023 02:38:56 by Abby Taylor

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