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Dilbert2001
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Kateri said :

I feel that the current changes all boil down to money, as they clearly believe that Premier Memberships are better value; because then it doesn’t matter what updates they ram through, or what impact that has on the community. It’s not the first time they’ve done this, but disappointed they still haven’t learned after all this time.


I agree Jagex is trying to make Premier Membership worth more, and why not? But don't you see they are making runecoins worth less because they aren't selling the new cosmetics for Runecoins in SGS?

Yes, it boils down to money, and Jagex needs it to feed their almost 450 Jmods obviously, but this Hero Pass update is a rebalance of monetization actually. Don't far more players asked for more content from membership and less from other monetization?

05-Sep-2023 01:48:58

Kateri

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First of all Dilbert2001, please don’t try to spin what I said and twist it to suit your argument. I said that I have no issues with paying my fair share. I said I am annoyed that the dollars I spend on buying bonds and keys, is of lesser value to Jagex than Premier members dollars? Because I choose to support both Jagex AND the community? We all are a part of what made, and makes, the game what it is. I’d take the community as a whole over a handful of whales and dead servers any day, even if I am mostly a loner.

Secondly, you completely glossed over my other issues with this update. The community who is what makes this game what it is, was not consulted AT ALL before such a major change. I said the inferfaces are clunky, especially for mobile users, and if they’re going to offer Runescape as a mobile option at all this is something that should have been considered? You didn’t even comment on this at all.

If you’re going to quote me, could you please try to stay on topic and offer an actual well-thought rebuttal? I understand that different people have different opinions and yet you’ve offered no real constructive feedback. Thanks.

05-Sep-2023 22:32:16 - Last edited on 05-Sep-2023 22:32:46 by Kateri

Dilbert2001
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@Kateri

How is the value of the dollars you spend on buying bonds and keys lesser than Premier Club dollars? You can buy Premier Club with only 20 bonds. That's the best values. TH has totally nothing to do with Premier Club or bonds and you aren't getting any less value with TH keys as the sole ussage of TH keys are on TH. Nothing has been changed with this update.

When I quoted and commented somebody's comment, I only meant to express my comment on the content I quoted. Whatever your opinion on Jagex's communication or Mobile interface are totally separate from what I quoted you and replied to it - values of Premier Club.

Please note that when you put up a comment with multiple unrelated points of discussion, not everybody has to discuss every single unrelated point. In case if you really insist, I don't disagree for the RS3 team to have more communication, but I also realize they are not allowed to make things visible. For instance, we heard many RS3 Jmods explicitly asking if they are allowed to talk about this or that in the very few livestreams they were allowed to be visible. So be considerate to the Jmods when the process of communication is out of their control.

06-Sep-2023 00:23:26

Kateri

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Dilbert2001, you seem to still not be understanding. You said a person can purchase 20 Bonds to redeem for Premier membership. While this is true, this only benefits the one person who is redeeming them. What if a person, such as myself, may only purchase 10-15 bonds every 3 months or so? I would be using 6 of them for my membership, and selling the others on the Grand Exchange to benefit other players.

In essence, I may actually over the course of a year be buying 40-50 bonds, and/or various key packages. My use and consumption may not be all in one go, and I enjoy being able to help another player who may lack the financial means IRL to be able to access Bonds. These changes have provided even more rewards for one subset of players, while massively disincentivizing another type of player such as myself. I enjoyed being able to log in and do my dailies and farm run every day, and then maybe a couple of hours on whatever skill I was trying to work on. I liked that I could choose what type of daily challenges I was doing to give me a boost in skills I don’t enjoy as much. I liked being able to benefit myself and my community both in the way that I play, and the way that I pay.

Before this change, Premier membership already had a large number of benefits that I knew I was not getting and would not get, but I was okay with that because I felt that I was still getting my money’s worth. I do feel I am being punished because I don’t want to sign up for a yearly package. I want the ability to spend money when I am enjoying what they are offering and save my money when they are not.

At the end of the day, yeah it’s their game and they’re going to do what they want. I will part with this though: this is an MMO, without the community it’s just a glorified single player game. I am hopeful that they will consider feedback from the community as a whole and come to a solution, and quickly.

06-Sep-2023 02:57:50

Dilbert2001
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^^
That's why wrote Hero Pass is aimed to promote Premier Club membership. When you could and were happy to buy Premier Club with 20 bonds before, there is no reason why you don't want to buy 5 more bonds with the 15 you have now to get Premier Club membership for more values. Of if you are paying real cash, it doesn't matter how many bonds you have now because it is a flat price of something like $89.99 a year.

06-Sep-2023 03:12:27

Demonicsfire
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Abby Taylor said :
@Dilbert

"we get like 1 cosmetic per hero level"

You're wrong again. Most of the cosmetics are just re-colors of each other, you get an outfit at level 1 and another at level 10. So that's 8 levels without an outfit, unless you're counting all the garbage overrides and trash like skilling overrides lmfao.

But you're forgetting that we are losing out on 3 TH keys a day (21 keys a week).
as well as ~40k exp from the lower lamps.

Do I want crappy ugly cosmetics that I will never wear, or do I want 21 TH keys and 700k exp a WEEK?
Easy choice.

100% this. ill take keys over a shit "cosmetic" that no one will ever use and will forget about after a day or so

ill also take the old way, being able to pick what skills the daily picks that would take a few mins at most over this crap that rng picks over all the skills and takes hrs to finish

hell, as a maxed person (- necro) i dont really wanan go back and do div for the rng yellow balls that spawn. that can take many hrs to do and for what? nothing i could i got faster the old way....


i cant see the devs going back to the old way. like all games/company's that do stupid moves they prob think they will loose face backing out and going back, even tho we all would love them for admitting they screwed up Logic, who needs it...

06-Sep-2023 05:00:58

darksan2
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The daily challenges were more enjoyable. Now the daily missions aren't really clear on how much you need to do, you have to do the same skill for the three levels of the mission, and the reward is not as attractive. Overall the hero pass feel like useless content. More uninspired cosmetics....

06-Sep-2023 08:55:49

Dilbert2001
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darksan2 said :
The daily challenges were more enjoyable. Now the daily missions aren't really clear on how much you need to do, you have to do the same skill for the three levels of the mission, and the reward is not as attractive. Overall the hero pass feel like useless content. More uninspired cosmetics....

FYI, Jagex has told us it is no more than 20 minutes for the completion of all 3 tiers of Daily Mission. I was able to complete "Thieving" mission yesterday in about 10 minutes pickpocketing Fally Guards.

06-Sep-2023 16:23:07

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