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Sound Reborn

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Interesting.

You started the very controversial and sometimes unclear Coalition conflict (as it is now known as). What was your relationship with the clans that aided you, and why did you start it? Do you feel like you did it more for a grudge match with KOV than an actual settling of differences?

14-Jul-2014 17:39:10

Ryanc360
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Regardless of what I say I doubt it's going to matter much. If I tell the truth people probably won't believe it, if I lie what difference will it make?

The coalition war was all of the above and more. I had a grudge against K0V yes, not because of what they did to me but because of what they did to EOF. You simply don't mess with EOF when I'm around. I've been known to find hackers who have hacked EOFians and robocall their home phone numbers at 3am for hours.
So yes I had a grudge, but the only part the grudge played was to **** me off enough to ask EOF what they wanted. It was EOF who decided on the war.

Ever since I caught heat for giving ZK the lands without asking the opinions of my administration I've made it a point to ask EOF on just about any big decision, and that is exactly what I did in this case. Now more EOFians were opposed than I expected but in the end the majority wanted the war, including my own queen at the time and other royals.
It was at that point that I decided to look for help. K0V was a bit of a bad ass at the time and there was no way EOF could have defeated them on her own. I knew ZK had some resentment towards K0V and I thought it would do everyone some good if they could get justice for themselves. All I had to do was say the words "war" and "K0V" and Krisi jumped onboard.
Next up was EOS. Olson was friends with my queen at the time and thus she suggested to me that they might be willing to help. That was an understatement to say the least. Olson was more than willing, he was eager and I was happy to have someone like him join us.

14-Jul-2014 17:54:59

Ryanc360
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That war however was a mistake, and we went about it all wrong. We thought we were clever, and that our strategy was fool proof. We planned to leave K0V with no allies to assist them and together with out combined power would be able to beat them.
Yea... that didn't go over so well as I'm sure you recall. K0V decided to bring in warring clans from the RSB which threw us for a loop. That had never happened before so far as I can remember in world 83 history, so we didn't plan for it. We didn't give up though, and we managed to find warring friends of our own.
However it soon got to the point where it would just be another mass RSB match rather than a fight between POCs, so we sat down to negotiate.

If things weren't falling apart before this is were they started. During the negotiations everyone wanted something else. EOS was the first to accept a peace deal which annoyed me, so much for a united front. Olson only ever wanted to be noticed and he got just that.
ZK wanted to get the elf lands officially handed over by K0V which they had a disputed claim against for some time, but K0V wasn't going to have any of that without a "fair" return. They proposed a huge land swamp that would have given ZK what they wanted, K0V what they wanted, and EOF would be out half of our empire. Naturally I said no. After that K0V asked if we event wanted a peace deal, to which I replied yes but I would not accept anything until ZK was happy.
Krisi didn't read the other half of my statement and left in a fit. K0V decided we weren't going to get any further (probably right) and resolved to ignore any further war declarations. I was left with egg on my face.

14-Jul-2014 17:55:05 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2014 18:20:32 by Ryanc360

Ryanc360
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I wouldn't say the war was a complete failure however. Sure it didn't go the way we planned and we didn't humiliate K0V (was quite the opposite actually), but I did get a lasting alliance out of EOS with it, and managed to mend things with Krisi.
It also helped to relieve some of the tension built up in EOF towards K0V, and eventually we allied them again. An alliance we still hold to this day.

There were other clans involved at the start as well but they backed out shortly after war was declared. Either because of a miscommunication between myself and their leaders or they realized it wasn't their fight. I can't say that I blame them though because yea... it was a rather messy business.

Keep in mind this is my perspective on the events...

14-Jul-2014 18:10:35 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2014 18:16:38 by Ryanc360

Sound Reborn

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Indeed it was. During the course of the war you had a rather large split from your clan that ultimately caused EOF to hit a very bad slump in the post-Coalition world; the Guardians of Seren. What is your take on this split, and why do you think it happened?

14-Jul-2014 18:27:29

Ryanc360
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I don't have much to say about GOS. They were a thing sure but for the most part I tried to let them be.

I'm not entirely sure why they split off from EOF, probably because they were unhappy with how I was doing things at the time. There was one member in particular that was a rather large thorn in my side. I would be lying if I said I was sad to see them go.
We were friends sure but that didn't stop us from getting into daily arguments in PM and on *** about the feelings of people within EOF. She would say that people were growing unhappy and I would tell her to give me their names so I can talk to them myself, but she refused because she didn't want to break their trust. So I would say to tell them to come to me directly so I could still talk to them directly, and nobody ever came forward.
It became very hard to trust her because of all the nonsense she was trying to feed me. She would say something was wrong in EOF and people were unhappy about it, but wouldn't tell me what. Just that it had to be dealt with. I half think she was trying to ***** me by playing middle man but not relaying information to either side. The people to me and me to the people. This is just speculation however.

Despite my best efforts they did eventually break off and form GOS with this particular member becoming queen. At this point I didn't really care much for them. They had gone and did what they wanted to do so it wasn't my problem anymore. They tried to make it my problem however. I would occasionally get messages from this now former member of EOF, newly queen of GOS saying that people in GOS had some resentment against EOF. Apparently EOF was harassing them, but once again when I asked for names so I could deal with it none were given.

Ultimately they were annoying but never a real big issue. I never felt EOF nor it's assets were ever threatened by them.

14-Jul-2014 18:40:14

Ryanc360
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Honestly I just wanted to be able to do what I wanted with my friends. Unfortunately it's like third grade out there. If you are friends with one person you can't be friends with another.

Like I said last night, we managed to make it work for a while. This is probably because I had my diplomats walking of egg shells to try and appease everybody. Thinking back it probably wasn't fair to them.
What I never quite understood was that KOY was never expected to pick a side, they are almost like the embodiment of neutrality, but if EOF didn't pick sides nothing could go forward and thus this cold war was created.

As for EOS...
That alliance was cut (from what I understand) strictly on Olson's attention seeking ego despite him not being in charge at the time.
The terms they listed for severing the alliance were all crap. Complete and utter crap and I still haven't forgiven Olson for it. Flame and Exar I've made amends with but not Olson.

It started like this. We grew distant with EOS, or rather I did because Tom was still in contact with them. More so than I should have been comfortable with now that I know the details.
I heard that EOS was growing unhappy with us, probably from Tom or Olson I don't remember but it wasn't a nice conversation when I found out. So drawing on my experiences with GOS I cut out the middle man and went directly to Flame who was leader at the time. I told him what I heard and he confirmed that EOS was indeed a little dissatisfied. So there I told him that I would make things right and EOF and EOS would be close again. A promise I fully intended on fulfilling.

14-Jul-2014 18:58:33

Ryanc360
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The next incident (again with Olson and Tom), happened when the three of us were in a friend chat together and they were joking around about Mafia being dead. This annoyed me greatly.
At the time members of EOS and K0V had made it a pastime to hunt out and harass members of ZK and Mafia, most notably Krisi. Now I was allied with ZK at the time, and while I wasn't allied with Mafia I was still friends with Matty. Had been for a few years.
Now when I say they harassed them I don't mean they called her noob or tried to disrupt her training. Some of the things they had to say were flat out vulgar.
I remember training fishing at barbarian village when a train of them walked by saying they were going to go find and harass Krisi and asking if I wanted to join.

So when Tom and Olson were cracking jokes at Mafia's expense, even if they were little ones like saying it was dead I got defensive. Matty is my friend and I happen to know that Mafia isn't nearly as dead as everyone thinks. They just keep to themselves because everyone hates them because of some roleplay that happened years ago. I mentioned this too them and Olson starts to get onto me about defending a friend. Similar to how I defended him when Krisi had not so many nice things to say about him and EOS.

The final straw came in what should have been an internal conflict within EOF. We were looking for a new royal and Tom happened to be a candidate. However I skipped over him in favor of someone more mature and with less of an attitude. Well Tom didn't take this too well and started to get real sour in the clan chat, for which I had to tell him off several times and he would try to back talk. Eventually we started having a conversation via email during which he started to be really immature. We got into an argument and it culminated in me telling him to stop acting like an 8 year old.

14-Jul-2014 18:58:42 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2014 19:11:32 by Ryanc360

Ryanc360
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Later that day I got an alert in my email. At the time we used my personal email server for email communication. I didn't mind giving people accounts on my server but in order to protect myself and the business I worked for (where my server was hosted) I set a rule in Exchange to flag any email coming in or leaving the system. Essentially if someone emailed another domain like Google or Live or received and email from such I would get notified, but if they emailed someone else who was hosted on my server I didn't know or care.

So I got this email alert saying Tom had emailed someone in EOS. I forget who I think it was Exar. I take a quick glance (normally I don't read them I just look and see if are going to any websites that might cause my server to be a target for hacking) and notice that he forwarded the email conversation we had. So I dig deeper (everyone who had an email on my system was made aware that I had the ability and reserved the right to look at any emails I felt necessary) and Tom was trying to play the poor innocent abused little kid card.

Needless to say I'm furious at this point. I locked his email account and removed his rank in the chat. Then I went hunting for Exar to talk to him. I go into EOS's clan chat and I start talking with some of the guys in there. They asked me if I wanted to have a completely random event and I figured why the hell not. I had told Flame I was going to make things right and this was a good chance to start. So we have an event, which I believe was clan wars and everyone had a good time. Everyone except for Olson who was in the chat at the time but completely ignored my existence.

The next day EOS cut the alliance citing that I mistreat members of EOF on a regular basis, I defend people who aren't my allies, and that they didn't like my choice for a royal.
I think Olson just wanted EOS to get more attention.

14-Jul-2014 19:11:45 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2014 19:25:58 by Ryanc360

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