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Fire Hawk154

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Jor Ulfrsson said :
but they would definitely benefit the type of clans from which I hail, and pvp clans as well.

PvP clans wouldn't benefit from this on RS3. There's like what, 5 warring clans left? And the wars are mainly fought in Clan Wars. There's not much rivalry possible when you pretty much need each other to have challenging wars. Unless you want to fight destroy non-warring clans who don't even manage to get a single kill. Which just feels like a waste of time. Trying to get new clans to war doesn't work in RS3, there's absolutely no reason to even PvP when you can make so much more money with PvM with no risk involved. This game became all about money and XP, and because so many people are maxed, new players are more focussed on becoming a high level as well, instead of having fun. It's quite simply, without nearly maxed combat you're absolutely useless in PvP. Non-warring clans simply don't have what it takes to actively participate and compete in PvP. Alliances and enemies won't change that.
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19-Feb-2016 12:36:53 - Last edited on 19-Feb-2016 12:37:45 by Fire Hawk154

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Fire Hawk154 said :
Jor Ulfrsson said :
but they would definitely benefit the type of clans from which I hail, and pvp clans as well.

PvP clans wouldn't benefit from this on RS3. There's like what, 5 warring clans left? And the wars are mainly fought in Clan Wars. There's not much rivalry possible when you pretty much need each other to have challenging wars. Unless you want to fight destroy non-warring clans who don't even manage to get a single kill. Which just feels like a waste of time. Trying to get new clans to war doesn't work in RS3, there's absolutely no reason to even PvP when you can make so much more money with PvM with no risk involved. This game became all about money and XP, and because so many people are maxed, new players are more focussed on becoming a high level as well, instead of having fun. It's quite simply, without nearly maxed combat you're absolutely useless in PvP. Non-warring clans simply don't have what it takes to actively participate and compete in PvP. Alliances and enemies won't change that.

Getting new clans to war in RS3 does still work. There is still quite a few clans who would like to try out warring but just need a little help. We fought your clan in our first war back in December and we didn't manage to get a single kill against you, however we've improved quite a lot since then and if you're willing to war us in P2P then you can see for yourself. I'm sure you'd be fairly surprised. RS Warring League

19-Feb-2016 15:45:08 - Last edited on 19-Feb-2016 15:45:42 by Slackend

Fire Hawk154

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Slackend said :
Getting new clans to war in RS3 does still work. There is still quite a few clans who would like to try out warring but just need a little help. We fought your clan in our first war back in December and we didn't manage to get a single kill against you, however we've improved quite a lot since then and if you're willing to war us in P2P then you can see for yourself. I'm sure you'd be fairly surprised.

Your clan is pretty much the exception to the rule though and you're formed to have fun like in the old days :P I'm already (positively) surprised you're still warring, I've seen plenty of clans giving up after their first defeat. Or not even showing up for a war (like in the JCup). It's going to take a very long time until there's a large enough pool of warring clans on RS3 to make it interesting, and so far I've seen more clans leave to OSRS or quit than join. Outside of that, my clan is having a lot more fun on OSRS than we had on RS3, so we're only fighting on RS3 occasionally. And no EoC, since the large majority in my clan doesn't like it. I don't think that will change until we see more combat improvements. When you war a lot you slowly find all the flaws, and when you find them you can't really ignore them any more. :(
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19-Feb-2016 17:11:42 - Last edited on 19-Feb-2016 17:13:05 by Fire Hawk154

Jor Ulfrsson

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I am sure there are plenty of players and clans alike who would like to become more involved in the warring community. So, why deny them that chance? Why shoot down a proposal before it even sees the light of day? The fact of the matter is, alliances between clans already exist whether you acknowledge it or not. This proposal would invigorate clans to seek ventures among themselves. We find ourselves at the end of our amusements.

19-Feb-2016 18:09:48 - Last edited on 22-Feb-2016 21:46:23 by Jor Ulfrsson

Dracae
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@ Jor Ulfrsson ( great name btw)

I am curious, what ( type of) territory do you claim and try/ want to defend ?

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This kinda reminds me of 'yeh olden days' when my clan was heavily in to Soul Wars, we actually ran a sideclan for a while, dedicated to ' owning ' one particular world to force tie-games. It took a lot of organizing, having strong allies and such to ( try and) make this happen.

At this time there even was a so called ' world alliance' of clans that claimed particular ( non official SW ) worlds.
At the same time other clans fought for control of the official worlds.

Interesting times.. and as such I can see the appeal of what you seem to be looking for, but I do not see how that would work out nowadays.

22-Feb-2016 22:08:59

Dave Mercer
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Tribelewits said :
Fire Hawk154 said :
Don't really see this as needed since it's quite easy to organize alliances without extra tools.

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Alliances are cool though, cant harm, the more people that actually play the game together the better.
But i don't think its needed to actually create a tool to make this happen.

Nothing personal, but whenever i see someone mention "enemies" i cant help but rolling my eyes. having a tool that points out what other clans are "enemies" will only cause more friction in game then there already is.

I can understand the alliance part somehow, but i cant see any positive benefit in the bigger picture to have a tool for "enemies"

Nothing wrong with having enemies. It's just a bit of role playing. E.G. Going to battle with an enemy clan in pvp areas.

Also there's no rule against people fighting in game. As long as nothing offensive is being said. Which usually people try to refer to when they have nothing else to dish out.
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27-Feb-2016 22:17:34

Dave Mercer
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I have suggested in past being able to see who is allied and who is an enemy in game. I strongly feel this will improve the role playing world in the game. As well as a more competitive side which the more serious players who like to be #1 will support.
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27-Feb-2016 22:19:54

Chunksofplum
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Dave Mercer said :
Tribelewits said :
Fire Hawk154 said :
Don't really see this as needed since it's quite easy to organize alliances without extra tools.

This

Alliances are cool though, cant harm, the more people that actually play the game together the better.
But i don't think its needed to actually create a tool to make this happen.

Nothing personal, but whenever i see someone mention "enemies" i cant help but rolling my eyes. having a tool that points out what other clans are "enemies" will only cause more friction in game then there already is.

I can understand the alliance part somehow, but i cant see any positive benefit in the bigger picture to have a tool for "enemies"

Nothing wrong with having enemies. It's just a bit of role playing. E.G. Going to battle with an enemy clan in pvp areas.

Also there's no rule against people fighting in game. As long as nothing offensive is being said. Which usually people try to refer to when they have nothing else to dish out.

I think the problem would be if 10 clans declared your clan as enemy, and slandered them, even if its offsite

You are promoting a pack mentality of all jump that clan in PVP areas and crash their events to make the game time uncomfortable

Its a fine line between a good tool to show role playing alliances and to be used by the open trolls on the internet to bully a clan further
Ive seen it happen with a clan who declared war on us, their members slander in game even if they had nothing to do with the original feud

What would be stopping a upset ex member paying 50 small clans to state a clan is their enemy to stop potential members from looking at that clan in a positive light and start thinking "to much drama" I'm walking away

In an ideal world where people feuded for fun ,or at least not seriously i could see this tool being useful but in today's runescape i fear it would be used negatively

27-Feb-2016 22:43:22

Chunksofplum
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Elaboration further, maybe an option for op in rather than op out for the tool

So if you are clan who enjoys Warring or alliances/enemies you can have it stated somewhere but if the clan you want to post as an allies or enemies has not op in they will not show on the clan list

This could stop potential trolls and allow a feature that would be useful for role playing clans to be used for a bit of fun

Personally its not my cup of tea and i wouldn't use it but if enough clans would find it useful then i suppose it couldn't hurt to try

27-Feb-2016 22:59:18

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