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Esploratore
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Our best recruiter told me earlier today that the current deal breaker with recruiting is citadel capping. According to her, few players want to commit to it these days.

We've also been discussing whether we'd be better off to close the citadel. As Ninmci has said: 'Just nuke the citadel.' It's a difficult decision considering how much work it took a relatively small clan to get to Tier 7. But in a way, it would be a relief to be free of the burden. We were trying to think of any other content in the game that requires as much work to achieve and is so easily lost. We couldn't come up with anything.

And to consider how many years of work we've put in at the citadel, the destruction from missing a single week of upkeep that we're face with this week is much too harsh. We can't use avatars, the citadel looks like hell and the only xp boost we are allowed is woodcutting.

Maybe this was a reasonable consequence/punishment for having a bad week (during a holiday no less) four years ago. Now? Not so much.

02-Dec-2015 00:36:26

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I think that once you reach Tier 7 you should be able to get one extra upgrade which stops any degradation in the future for anything other than the clan being closed down or the clan having less players than is required for that tier.

However, Citadels have a lower than 'non-existent' chance at being revamped, or altered in any way.

You do what feels right for you clan, because whilst a citadel is really good afk experience, it doesn't compare as well to todays experience rates - and as such less people want to actually cap weekly.

I'm hoping that whatever you do works out for you, and I'm sorry to hear it's not going as well as you'd like.
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02-Dec-2015 01:06:22

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Closing the citadel makes no sense, dont do that.
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02-Dec-2015 02:36:17

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Esploratore said :
Our best recruiter told me earlier today that the current deal breaker with recruiting is citadel capping. According to her, few players want to commit to it these days.

We've also been discussing whether we'd be better off to close the citadel. As Ninmci has said: 'Just nuke the citadel.' It's a difficult decision considering how much work it took a relatively small clan to get to Tier 7. But in a way, it would be a relief to be free of the burden. We were trying to think of any other content in the game that requires as much work to achieve and is so easily lost. We couldn't come up with anything.

And to consider how many years of work we've put in at the citadel, the destruction from missing a single week of upkeep that we're face with this week is much too harsh. We can't use avatars, the citadel looks like hell and the only xp boost we are allowed is woodcutting.

Maybe this was a reasonable consequence/punishment for having a bad week (during a holiday no less) four years ago. Now? Not so much.


Hey there,

If you have dedicated clan members willing to do so they could always make some alt accounts to help keep the citadel upkeep up.

It takes around 10-12 players per week to keep all upkeeps on a t7 citadel after Jagex nerfed the upkeep requirements a while back. I know this would be hard since you would need to keep their membership going but I don't think you should close the citadel down, if need be let it get back to T6 and the citadel upkeep is lower.

As for the recruitment, you can just drop the citadel capping mandatory requirement and shift to keep it to just optional for those who wan't too.
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02-Dec-2015 06:07:53

Kaeli

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have you tried to make it just the summons plot is mandatory, if you can get enough to do that and the ones who regularly cap, fingers crossed you should be able to keep thing as they are, worth a try


Edit : the summons plot takes around 10 mins per week, I don't think that is too much to ask people
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02-Dec-2015 07:50:21 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2015 07:51:36 by Kaeli

Esploratore
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@ MrBrokenBow: That's an interesting idea about one more tier so a citadel doesn't degrade unless a clan disbands or falls below the minimum membership number. I understand that any update right now isn't in Jagex plan. Perhaps it could be considered sometime down the road.

We'll keep trying with the citadel for now. I think seeing it in its current state had a certain amount of shock value. Clan mates who haven't normally been capping have been some of the first to go and cap this week. I really appreciate their willingness to step up.

@ Scret: It wouldn't be my first choice to give up on it.

@ Lone Druid: We have members with alts who cap.. My goal has been to reach a point where no one has to do that unless they just want the xp on their alt.

We've had citadel capping as mandatory and optional at various times in our history. It seems that the same players cap regardless since mandatory capping has rarely been enforced. A decision was made long ago that kicking because someone didn't cap wasn't something we wanted to do.

After having built a Tier 7 citadel twice, the option to drop down to Tier 6 isn't very appealing. But you're absolutely correct about it being a practical option. If it comes to that, I'll be back to make sure I understand how to do that.

@ Kaeli: That's an interesting suggestion about the summoning plot. I hadn't considered that until you posted. Do you happen to know how many clan mates it takes doing that to meet upkeep at Tier 7? I'll do the math but if you could confirm my calculations as being correct later that would be awesome!

Thanks for the replies. It's helped to have other leaders who empathize and provide helpful suggestions!

I've been tottering on the edge, thinking I might just retire. This has given me a second (third... fourth... fifth) wind. Thanks again!

02-Dec-2015 17:12:11 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2015 17:13:09 by Esploratore

KitKat
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I feel your pain. I would love a way of holding onto the Citadel and not having the stress. I am very thankful that upkeep is much lower than it used to be.
We completed our Citadel with only 90 members. We're fortunate though that we don't have to make capping mandatory unless you are an Admin rank or above. Even then it is only mandatory if upkeep isn't met but in the 2 years that our Citadel has been complete we have never once had to ask for cappers.

If people want to help we encourage them to half cap so that they get the fealty 3 bonuses .

So between our 3 avas capping and enough people 1/2 capping we make it weekly but that doesn't mean that I don't stress every week until upkeep is met. Hang in there, you're not alone. :)
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02-Dec-2015 17:22:29

Esploratore
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KitKat said :
I feel your pain. I would love a way of holding onto the Citadel and not having the stress. I am very thankful that upkeep is much lower than it used to be.
We completed our Citadel with only 90 members. We're fortunate though that we don't have to make capping mandatory unless you are an Admin rank or above. Even then it is only mandatory if upkeep isn't met but in the 2 years that our Citadel has been complete we have never once had to ask for cappers.

If people want to help we encourage them to half cap so that they get the fealty 3 bonuses .

So between our 3 avas capping and enough people 1/2 capping we make it weekly but that doesn't mean that I don't stress every week until upkeep is met. Hang in there, you're not alone. :)


Yes I totally agree. It was helpful when the upkeep requirements were lowered. That's amazing that you never have to ask for cappers. :)

We've had weeks when we'd all go up together and cap, getting upkeep paid quickly and early in the week. Those weeks were great! Gotta love those stress-free weeks.

02-Dec-2015 17:32:00 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2015 17:32:13 by Esploratore

Lisaa
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Our problem:

People want a Citadel so they can get XP in expensive skills like Summoning or Crafting. Everyone is really hyped about it for the first few weeks, but then they become disheartened at it when they realize we're so far away from what we want. As a result, a few people stop capping (even when asked to), and as a result we're unable to make improvements. When we stop progressing on it, the people that had been consistently working become disheartened as well, and then everyone stops working. Then the Citadel gets locked down and degrades. Typically, a few people then get the bright idea that they should just join a clan that already has resource plots that they want, and then they leave our clan entirely.

Our administration is on the verge of giving up entirely on our Citadel :|
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02-Dec-2015 17:46:08

Esploratore
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Lisaa,

It's a shame that things seem to go that way sometime.

Unfortunately, taking the easy path is pretty common. Being loyal, sticking around, and working over a period of time towards a common goal seems to be less popular these days than letting others do the work. Some seem to want to enjoy the fruit of others' labor, whether it's not helping cap and still expecting the benefits or bailing on a clan to join one with a T7 citadel.

Good luck to you and the Vikings with your citadel.

02-Dec-2015 21:46:28

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