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Lyrehca

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This idea was presented in another medium and I thought it might be worth posting here for feedback and possible incorporation into the game.

"Jaguar Rob: Allow to ban by clan"

- some leaders in the past have used their clan to attack other clans . . . but if you could ban by clan name it would be useful
- what if you [upset] a clan leader and him and his members invaded your cc and started spamming it. are you going to ban potentially 50+ accounts manually?


The discussion got a bit off track from what I could see, but I want to focus on a couple of key points in this suggestion.

Primarily, this idea focuses on another clan leader using their clan as a force for harm to your clan chat. Yes, a few bad eggs can be banned individually, but the idea here is it is a clan effort that you wish to halt before they can invade your own clan's CC.


Though it isn't something I foresee my clan having a need of, for other clans that have difficulties of the nature described, the option may be a helpful one.

I don't know the linking possibilities, but perhaps the Signpost in the "Welcome Area" of a clan citadel could be a tool for this?

The signpost can already be used to teleport from a clan's citadel to that of one identified as a Friend or Ally. Depending on the code changes (which I'm totally dumb about), perhaps by using the same information on a signpost, any member of a clan identified as an "enemy" or "nemesis" could also be automatically restricted from guesting in a clan chat?

Secondly, this would simplify banning of an aggressive enemy clan with a single action without having to add multiple individual players to a clan ban list.

Adding to the signpost is an admin related permission, so leaders could choose which ranks have the ability to take the action of identifying another clan as an enemy or nemesis.

10-Dec-2017 18:48:15

Lyrehca

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Please keep feedback constructive and civil. Again, the primary idea here does not involve a few spammers in a CC, but rather an organized effort of a clan to cause harm to another.

And if Jagex pronounces the signpost option as being impossible to incorporate, this whole thread is a moot point and discussion can then be halted.

10-Dec-2017 18:50:40

Subzero

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Personally I'm not so keen on the idea of blanket-banning entire clans.


Couple of points I wish to raise:
• - How often do entire Clans bully other clans? In all my years on the CLF I can't immediately recall any severe cases of actual entire clan against clan bullying.

• - If you blanket-banned their clan, wouldn't the perpetrators just create throwaway accounts to circumvent your clan-ban and continue harassing you? To be honest if I was going to harass a someone I wouldn't even use my main account in the first place, I would use lots of throwaway accounts.

• - Could this be handled without requiring new technology in-game? It's not a perfect solution, but you could temporarily stop guests from entering your Clan, submit abuse Reports against offenders, and then post on the Flag a Concern thread for help.



I feel this could be handled in a better way that doesn't involve blanket-banning people from a specific clan.


How about instead of banning Clans, we give clans a "Friends list"? If you're on the Friends list then you can join even when the Guesting option is disabled. Not only does this solve the problem you describe, it's also a feature that Clan leaders have been requesting for some time.
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11-Dec-2017 01:54:27 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2017 01:56:24 by Subzero

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As my clan has had one of our allies in a simular situation, I want point out that not everyone can be bad in the offending clan. Yes clan bullying does happen often, but it is unfair on those in the clan that are not engaged by it. (after a few months some members from an offending clan joined us after realizing what their leaders are up to. We knew they werent involved in the harassment as our allies to.

I would be more included to Subzeros idea on a clan friendlist personally, Do remember also spammers, trolls and harrassers can be reported using the report abuse function and Jagex are able to link up toss away accounts as well. LODJ RS3 Division
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11-Dec-2017 09:32:44

Lyrehca

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Daf said :
As my clan has had one of our allies in a simular situation, I want point out that not everyone can be bad in the offending clan. Yes clan bullying does happen often, but it is unfair on those in the clan that are not engaged by it. (after a few months some members from an offending clan joined us after realizing what their leaders are up to. We knew they werent involved in the harassment as our allies to. As I pointed out in my original post, this idea relates to an organized clan attack. I should hope that any innocent members in a clan, once they become aware of the conspiracy to harm another clan, would probably take action against the idea by leaving the offending clan then and there. If they choose to stay with the offending clan even though they are aware of the attack, then I don't think I'd really consider them to be 'innocent', and therefore subject to the effects of the full clan ban along with the rest of them.

11-Dec-2017 12:45:25

Fire Hawk154

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I'd rather have the option to report a clan, rather than individuals. Especially when the harassment comes from the top down and the members support and actively participate in it, there should be sanctions. Just banning from a clan chat isn't enough imo, as they can easily target your members throughout the game.
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11-Dec-2017 13:39:12

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Lyrehca said :
This idea was presented in another medium and I thought it might be worth posting here for feedback and possible incorporation into the game.

"Jaguar Rob: Allow to ban by clan"

- some leaders in the past have used their clan to attack other clans . . . but if you could ban by clan name it would be useful
- what if you [upset] a clan leader and him and his members invaded your cc and started spamming it. are you going to ban potentially 50+ accounts manually?



Thanks for posting this Lyre, it's nice to see people being supportive instead of getting attacked. Creator of the Clan Leader Discord & Clan Discord
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12-Dec-2017 02:23:59

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sorry i dont support this idea, it could possibly ban the innocent and you cant say everyone in that clan is guilty

Dont judge the majority for the actions of the minority

Subzero said :
- If you blanket-banned their clan, wouldn't the perpetrators just create throwaway accounts to circumvent your clan-ban and continue harassing you? To be honest if I was going to harass a someone I wouldn't even use my main account in the first place, I would use lots of throwaway accounts.

if this became a thing and i wanted to attack another clan then the best way around it is to use accounts not in the clan and alot of times these spammer throw away accounts arent in the clans they are defending so wont be effected by this
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13-Dec-2017 16:56:25 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2017 17:00:19 by Werewolf

Fire Hawk154

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Werewolf said :
sorry i dont support this idea, it could possibly ban the innocent and you cant say everyone in that clan is guilty

Dont judge the majority for the actions of the minority

What if it is the majority is causing the problems? Also if you're a member of a clan you should know what the clan does and if it's bad you should leave. Members of harassing clan's are generally not "innocent".
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